Posted on 07/16/2022 6:05:55 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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Rather curious that the USSR used to run the place.
This only happened once the Ukraine became independent?
Or were they anti-Soviet, and accepting alliances where they could find them?
I know nothing about the history of these groups, but accusations of Nazism, in this day and age, I find absurd.
Remember Godwin's Law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forward#Jewish_Daily_Forward_Building
“At the peak of its circulation, The Forward erected a ten-story office building at 175 East Broadway on the Lower East Side, designed by architect George Boehm and completed in 1912. It was a prime location, across the street from Seward Park. The building was embellished with marble columns and panels and stained glass windows. The facade features carved bas relief portraits of Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels[37] (who co-authored, with Marx, The Communist Manifesto), and Ferdinand Lassalle, founder of the first mass German labor party.”
I don’t understand, we’ve been told there are no Neo-Nazis in Ukraine.
Fighting the Soviets who had a policy of starving Ukraine does not make you a Nazi collaborator.
RussoNazi propaganda.
This article is about Ukrainians of today, from 2014 onward honoring actual Nazis with statues and street names.
It is clear you didn’t read even the first paragraph of this article before dismissing it.
Do Finns of today erect statues of Nazis who mass murdered thousands, and name streets after them?
As a response to this article, your response makes no sense at all.
They are hiding under beds, doncha know...
I'm sorry, that still sounds more like a committed anti-communist who cooperated with the Nazi regime for a time than an actual Nazi.For a time, Bandera collaborated with Nazi Germany. When Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union, he prepared the 30 June 1941 Proclamation of Ukrainian statehood in Lviv, pledging to work with Nazi Germany. For his refusal to rescind the decree, Bandera was arrested by the Gestapo and on 5 July 1941 held under house arrest. After January 1942 Bandera was transferred to Sachsenhausen concentration camp but kept in special, comparatively comfortable detention. In 1944, with Germany rapidly losing ground in the war in the face of the advancing Allied armies, Bandera was released in the hope that he would be instrumental in deterring the advancing Soviet forces. He set up the headquarters of the re-established Ukrainian Supreme Liberation Council, which worked underground. After the war, Bandera with his family settled in West Germany where he remained the leader of the OUN-B and worked with several anti-communist organizations such as the Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations as well as with the US and British intelligence agencies. Fourteen years after the end of the war, Bandera was assassinated in 1959 by KGB agents in Munich, West Germany.
But but but ... you told us Ukraine is really Russian. Why did all these Russians yearning only to be reunited with Moscow, collaborate with Germany to fight the Soviets? It is a conundrum.
It’s a shame you didn’t read the article, your response might be more sensible and relevant if you had.
https://forward.com/news/462916/nazi-collaborator-monuments-in-ukraine/
“Nazi collaborator monuments in Ukraine”
Yea, but they’re Good Nazis, unlike the bad Nazis led by Hitler or the 600 tourists still rotting away in the DC Central Jail.
He was even assassinated by the KGB.
Look, having cooperated with the Nazis at any time certainly is viewed today as a mistake, as we know the Nazis to be pure evil.
But these people weren’t killing Jews, they were trying to get a Ukraine independent from the communists.
Imprisoned by the Nazis, tried to get his region unrepentant from Moscow and Germany, anti communist ultimately assassinated by the KGB.
Is a statute to him the same as honoring Nazis? I don’t think so.
If you read the article you will see you are wrong, many of the people celebrated in Ukraine since 2014 with statues and street names participated in mass murders.
https://forward.com/news/462916/nazi-collaborator-monuments-in-ukraine/
Bandera was imprisoned in a Nazi concentration camp. Two of his brothers died in a Nazi concentration camp. To allied himself with the Nazis for a short time AFTERWARD to try and liberate Ukraine from the Soviets.
In the 1950s he was essentially an ally of the United States against the Soviets. He was so successful that the Soviets had him assassinated in West Germany.
These facts don’t get posted very often.
“I don’t understand, we’ve been told there are no Neo-Nazis in Ukraine.”
Name names. Who told you that?
There you go posting facts! You actually expect these people to respect facts?
Hi Vladimir998.
As you probably know, Ukrainian units founded by Stepan Bandera (OUN-B) mass murdered 70-100 thousands polish Civilians.
This was not military combat, this was Ukrainian ideologue troops mass murdering civilian people.
Can you explain to me what this had to do with fighting the soviets? It had nothing to do with that.
It is interesting to see Freepers minimizing and dismissing mass murders led by Ukrainians.
But the real question is can’t they choose heroes who didn’t inspire and participate in mass murders?
And why only talk about Stepan Bandera? There are many others mentioned in this article who participated in mass murders, and are singled out for honor by Ukraine with statues and street names.
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