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Nazi collaborator monuments in Ukraine
Forward (Jewish, independent, nonprofit) ^ | January 27, 2021 | Lev Golinkin

Posted on 07/16/2022 6:05:55 PM PDT by Mount Athos

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1 posted on 07/16/2022 6:05:55 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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2 posted on 07/16/2022 6:08:47 PM PDT by DocRock
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Rather curious that the USSR used to run the place.

This only happened once the Ukraine became independent?


3 posted on 07/16/2022 6:16:44 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which stands.)
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Were the Finns pro-Nazi, because they were allied with Nazi Germany?

Or were they anti-Soviet, and accepting alliances where they could find them?

I know nothing about the history of these groups, but accusations of Nazism, in this day and age, I find absurd.

Remember Godwin's Law.

4 posted on 07/16/2022 6:22:56 PM PDT by jdege
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forward#Jewish_Daily_Forward_Building

“At the peak of its circulation, The Forward erected a ten-story office building at 175 East Broadway on the Lower East Side, designed by architect George Boehm and completed in 1912. It was a prime location, across the street from Seward Park. The building was embellished with marble columns and panels and stained glass windows. The facade features carved bas relief portraits of Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels[37] (who co-authored, with Marx, The Communist Manifesto), and Ferdinand Lassalle, founder of the first mass German labor party.”


5 posted on 07/16/2022 6:26:13 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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I don’t understand, we’ve been told there are no Neo-Nazis in Ukraine.


6 posted on 07/16/2022 6:27:21 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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Fighting the Soviets who had a policy of starving Ukraine does not make you a Nazi collaborator.

RussoNazi propaganda.


7 posted on 07/16/2022 6:28:38 PM PDT by Reaganez
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This article is about Ukrainians of today, from 2014 onward honoring actual Nazis with statues and street names.

It is clear you didn’t read even the first paragraph of this article before dismissing it.

Do Finns of today erect statues of Nazis who mass murdered thousands, and name streets after them?

As a response to this article, your response makes no sense at all.


8 posted on 07/16/2022 6:29:28 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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Full article link:

https://forward.com/news/462916/nazi-collaborator-monuments-in-ukraine/


9 posted on 07/16/2022 6:33:56 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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They are hiding under beds, doncha know...


10 posted on 07/16/2022 6:39:15 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Let’s go Brandon!)
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Actual Nazis like Stephan Bandera?

For a time, Bandera collaborated with Nazi Germany. When Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union, he prepared the 30 June 1941 Proclamation of Ukrainian statehood in Lviv, pledging to work with Nazi Germany. For his refusal to rescind the decree, Bandera was arrested by the Gestapo and on 5 July 1941 held under house arrest. After January 1942 Bandera was transferred to Sachsenhausen concentration camp but kept in special, comparatively comfortable detention. In 1944, with Germany rapidly losing ground in the war in the face of the advancing Allied armies, Bandera was released in the hope that he would be instrumental in deterring the advancing Soviet forces. He set up the headquarters of the re-established Ukrainian Supreme Liberation Council, which worked underground. After the war, Bandera with his family settled in West Germany where he remained the leader of the OUN-B and worked with several anti-communist organizations such as the Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations as well as with the US and British intelligence agencies. Fourteen years after the end of the war, Bandera was assassinated in 1959 by KGB agents in Munich, West Germany.

I'm sorry, that still sounds more like a committed anti-communist who cooperated with the Nazi regime for a time than an actual Nazi.
11 posted on 07/16/2022 6:39:37 PM PDT by jdege
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But but but ... you told us Ukraine is really Russian. Why did all these Russians yearning only to be reunited with Moscow, collaborate with Germany to fight the Soviets? It is a conundrum.


12 posted on 07/16/2022 6:39:49 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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It’s a shame you didn’t read the article, your response might be more sensible and relevant if you had.

https://forward.com/news/462916/nazi-collaborator-monuments-in-ukraine/


13 posted on 07/16/2022 6:41:19 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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“Nazi collaborator monuments in Ukraine”

Yea, but they’re Good Nazis, unlike the bad Nazis led by Hitler or the 600 tourists still rotting away in the DC Central Jail.


14 posted on 07/16/2022 6:44:29 PM PDT by BobL (My hatred of Necons/Globalists exceeds my love of Ukraine or any other country, other than the US)
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He was even assassinated by the KGB.

Look, having cooperated with the Nazis at any time certainly is viewed today as a mistake, as we know the Nazis to be pure evil.

But these people weren’t killing Jews, they were trying to get a Ukraine independent from the communists.

Imprisoned by the Nazis, tried to get his region unrepentant from Moscow and Germany, anti communist ultimately assassinated by the KGB.

Is a statute to him the same as honoring Nazis? I don’t think so.


15 posted on 07/16/2022 6:44:57 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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If you read the article you will see you are wrong, many of the people celebrated in Ukraine since 2014 with statues and street names participated in mass murders.

https://forward.com/news/462916/nazi-collaborator-monuments-in-ukraine/


16 posted on 07/16/2022 6:48:34 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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Bandera was imprisoned in a Nazi concentration camp. Two of his brothers died in a Nazi concentration camp. To allied himself with the Nazis for a short time AFTERWARD to try and liberate Ukraine from the Soviets.

In the 1950s he was essentially an ally of the United States against the Soviets. He was so successful that the Soviets had him assassinated in West Germany.

These facts don’t get posted very often.


17 posted on 07/16/2022 6:49:22 PM PDT by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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“I don’t understand, we’ve been told there are no Neo-Nazis in Ukraine.”

Name names. Who told you that?


18 posted on 07/16/2022 6:52:04 PM PDT by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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There you go posting facts! You actually expect these people to respect facts?


19 posted on 07/16/2022 6:53:18 PM PDT by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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Hi Vladimir998.

As you probably know, Ukrainian units founded by Stepan Bandera (OUN-B) mass murdered 70-100 thousands polish Civilians.

This was not military combat, this was Ukrainian ideologue troops mass murdering civilian people.

Can you explain to me what this had to do with fighting the soviets? It had nothing to do with that.

It is interesting to see Freepers minimizing and dismissing mass murders led by Ukrainians.

But the real question is can’t they choose heroes who didn’t inspire and participate in mass murders?

And why only talk about Stepan Bandera? There are many others mentioned in this article who participated in mass murders, and are singled out for honor by Ukraine with statues and street names.


20 posted on 07/16/2022 6:54:27 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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