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To: familyop

Isaias 43:11 - “I am, I am the Lord: and there is no saviour besides me.” Not sure how this is relevant to the current nation of Israel.

Zechariah 14:9 - “And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day there shall be one Lord, and his name shall be one.” A prophecy of the propagation of Christ’s Church, as the living waters in the prior verse refer to His Gospel.

Malachi 3:6 - “For I am the Lord, and I change not: and you the sons of Jacob are not consumed.” Immediately following this verse are calls for those who departed Him to return. “Return to me, and I will return to you, saith the Lord of hosts.” Can this be said of the modern nation of Israel, whose state religion entails a rejection of Christ as the Messiah?

Ezekiel 36:19 - “And I scattered them among the nations, and they are dispersed through the countries: I have judged them according to their ways, and their devices.” A prophecy of the Jewish diaspora.

Ezekiel 36:24 - “For I will take you from among the Gentiles, and will gather you together out of all the countries, and will bring you into your own land.” Key word being that “I”, as in God, will take the Jews out from among the Gentiles and gather them; is the modern nation of Israel the action of God, or the action of man?

Ezekiel 36:35 - “They shall say: This land that was untilled is become as a garden of pleasure: and the cities that were abandoned, and desolate, and destroyed, are peopled and fenced.” Two verses prior, it is written: “Thus saith the Lord God: In the day that I shall cleanse you from all your iniquities...” after which is described the scene of temporal bounty. Has the modern nation of Israel been cleansed of all its iniquities?

Ezekiel 37:21-22: “And thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord God: Behold, I will take the children of Israel from the midst of the nations whither they are gone: and I will gather them on every side, and will bring them to their own land. And I will make them one nation in the land on the mountains of Israel, and one king shall be king over them all: and they shall no more be two nations, neither shall they be divided any more into two kingdoms.” Again, the modern nation of Israel was not formed by the action of God...and furthermore, they are not ruled over by one king (namely, the servant of the House of David, i.e. Christ). The modern nation of Israel is not subservient with the sweet yoke that is the social Kingship of Christ; these verses cannot be applied to modern Israel.

Ezekiel 44:5 - “And the Lord said to me: Son of man, attend with thy heart, and behold with thy eyes, and hear with thy ears, all that I say to thee concerning all the ceremonies of the house of the Lord, and concerning all the laws thereof: and mark well the ways of the temple, with all the goings out of the sanctuary.” Is modern Israel in its constitution perfectly obedient to even the Mosaic law, much less the law of Christ?

Ezekiel 44:9 - “Thus saith the Lord God: No stranger uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, no stranger that is in the midst of the children of Israel.” Yet modern Israel is full of such strangers.

Ezekiel 45: Given the numerous references in this chapter to animal sacrifice being provided as a sin offering (rendered null and void by the one Sacrifice of Christ), I don’t believe you can attribute this chapter to modern Israel either.

Ezekiel 47:21 - “And you shall divide this land unto you by the tribes of Israel:” The modern nation of Israel was not constituted or formed in such a way (nor was it divided by lot for an inheritance, as the following verse indicated). It is not divided among the tribes of the sons of Jacob.

Ezekiel 12:3 - “And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will make Jerusalem a burdensome stone to all people: all that shall lift it up shall be rent and torn, and all the kingdoms of the earth shall be gathered together against her.” A reference to a future time, where God shall protect His Church against her persecutors. It cannot be used to describe a nation (as modern Israel is) which is not obedient or loyal to Christ.

Ezekiel 12:9 - “And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.” Are we referring to the literal city of Jerusalem which is now host to infidels and pagans, or the spiritual Jerusalem represented by those who are obedient to Christ, the Son of David?

Ezekiel 12:12-16 - “And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord shall strike all nations that have fought against Jerusalem: the flesh of every one shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. In that day there shall be a great tumult from the Lord among them: and a man shall take the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall be clasped upon his neighbour’s hand. And even Juda shall fight against Jerusalem: and the riches of all nations round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and garments in great abundance. And the destruction of the horse, and of the mule, and of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts, that shall be in those tents, shall be like this destruction. And all they that shall be left of all nations that came against Jerusalem, shall go up from year to year, to adore the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.” A prophecy of how those who persecute the Church will be torn asunder, and that those left shall be converted to faith in Christ and communion with His Mystical Body.

Malachi 3:17-18 - “And they shall be my special possession, saith the Lord of hosts, in the day that I do judgment: and I will spare them, as a man spareth his son that serveth him. And you shall return, and shall see the difference between the just and the wicked: and between him that serveth God, and him that serveth him not.” Does the modern nation of Israel fear the Lord, and serve God?

The nation of Israel has Judaism as its official state religion, which in and of itself is divided between Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Secular, and so forth; all of which, save for the Messianic Jews (which are an utterly miniscule minority that do not qualify for the Right of Return, being seen as either a Christian sect or a cult), reject that Christ was the Messiah.

I would be very wary in ascribing Biblical prophecy to a manmade nation-state that bears little in common with the Chosen People (both the Jews who followed the fulfillment of the Old Covenant in Christ, and the Gentiles who were converted by the Apostles and their successors) beyond the name and location.


62 posted on 07/20/2022 1:44:07 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

I see two sides in the last war. There will be those on the side of the nations that invade and try to occupy Israel and those against. Those in favor of the invasion will be the rebels.


63 posted on 07/20/2022 6:17:29 AM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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