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Ukraine war veterans on how Kiev plundered US aid, wasted soldiers, endangered civilians, and lost the war
The GrayZone ^ | 8/18/22 | LINDSEY SNELL AND CORY POPP

Posted on 08/19/2022 7:45:39 AM PDT by JonPreston

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To: JonPreston; All

Perhaps so. US operations are famous for masses of material and loose controls. I saw plenty of organized, protected, stealing in Salvador and Viet Nam. A family friend who, was a career US Army Quatermaster branch officer and who retired an O=6, swore that he had seen the documented evidence, when he was a captain and staff officer with the petroleum control and distribution center in France,that so much POL and particularly motor vehicle grade gasoline, was stolen or somehow diverted in the ComZ area in France that it was a significant element in the POL shortage crisis in the fall of 1944. Patton, through his G=4 , was aware of this happening and tried to exert direct pressure on the Supreme Command, to no avail.

I asked what happened? He said there were just thousands of US military personnel , some of high rank, in the Com Z that were making too much money off the POL racket to even begin to shut the diversion off.

In passing he noted the incredible number of taxi cabs and civilian French motor vehicles that he regularly encountered on high ways and in Paris as a clear indication that POL diversion was real and significant. He opined that a lot of the transport being heavily negro did not help the situation at all.


21 posted on 08/19/2022 8:16:38 AM PDT by robowombat (Orth, all y aa)
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables; CarolinaReaganFan; laplata

everybody like you quickly claim “the western-supplied weapons are being stolen by Ukraine”

How much is being stolen? 1 %? 2 %?

that’s hardly newsworthy or unique


22 posted on 08/19/2022 8:20:41 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: crz

How much of this “aid” is making its way to the pockets of the swamp dwellers here?


23 posted on 08/19/2022 8:21:32 AM PDT by NativeSon ( *> <*)
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To: canuck_conservative
More Russian disinformation from Comrade Ivan

I know you prefer the disinformation from Führer Zelensky.

24 posted on 08/19/2022 8:22:12 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐Public hangings will wake 'em up.⭐⭐)
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To: JonPreston

Biden got diamonds from Moscow mayors wife.

Biden works for Putin.
And China.
He just does laundry in ukrain.

If Joe hated commies he wouldn’t be taking riches from them.

Ymmv.


25 posted on 08/19/2022 8:23:06 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: cuz1961

Either of them


26 posted on 08/19/2022 8:23:58 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: Jewbacca

—”It’s like Bill Clinton liking pretty women. Well, so do I. I’m not going to stop liking pretty women because Bill Clinton likes them.”

A nice simile.

More than a few Ukraine thread posters apparently have intermittent internet connections and often do not receive the message.

“They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not...”
Psalm 115 KJV


27 posted on 08/19/2022 8:24:49 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: canuck_conservative

i think it was CBS who said that 30% actually arrives, the truth is probably somewhere in between


28 posted on 08/19/2022 8:25:35 AM PDT by CarolinaReaganFan
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables

Yep.


29 posted on 08/19/2022 8:25:56 AM PDT by laplata (They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
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To: TangoLimaSierra

Ukraine is still a free democracy

Russia is a police-state dictatorship

so yes, I’ll trust news from Ukraine before I’ll trust news from Russia


30 posted on 08/19/2022 8:26:04 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: Jewbacca
Just because Biden and the leftist crews nominally sides with Ukraine, doesn’t mean Ukraine is the bad actor.

Well, then, how about Soros, all the Dems, Hollywood, all the US media and all the UK media? At what point do you re-think your support?

31 posted on 08/19/2022 8:26:29 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐Public hangings will wake 'em up.⭐⭐)
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To: canuck_conservative
More Russian disinformation from Comrade Ivan

Hush Hoser. And ask permission before posting to an American!

32 posted on 08/19/2022 8:27:47 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: BeauBo

Watch the arms and other material shipments to Ukraine. The size and tempo of those will tell you what’s coming next. Ukraine will be in trouble quickly if those shipments drop in tempo and size.


33 posted on 08/19/2022 8:29:23 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (The only way to secure your own future is to create it yourself.)
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To: NativeSon
Strike that- the media was not to be trusted in WWII.

To the press, Nazis were just dandy until Germany turned on the Soviets.

34 posted on 08/19/2022 8:29:24 AM PDT by NativeSon ( *> <*)
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To: CarolinaReaganFan

so you’re saying that the old, decrepit Ukrainian Army, plus just the small amount of Western-supplied arms that manage to make it to the front, are enough to repel the Russian encirclement of Kiev and keep Russia to within 100 miles of the border they started from 6 MONTHS ago?

Russia, the supposed superpower that was supposed to roll over Western Europe to the Atlantic in just weeks, is held in check by just this?

Wow, the Russian military really sucks the bag


35 posted on 08/19/2022 8:30:53 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: crz; JonPreston
…the usual suspects will pile onto this thread and spout the usual-you are a RuZZian troll.

In between spamming the site with their daily multiple propaganda articles from the Daily Mail and other tabloids.

36 posted on 08/19/2022 8:32:28 AM PDT by Allegra
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To: Jewbacca

Did you ever stop to think those hits on Russia were led by American and British SF? After all, that’s what they train all day 24/7 to do! That’s their whole F’ing purpose! And if you don’t think Boris Johnson and what ever unelected committee is running our show hasn’t been sending our special forces over to Ukraine for years, I don’t know what to tell you.


37 posted on 08/19/2022 8:32:46 AM PDT by Dogbert41 (Fill your lamps!)
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To: CarolinaReaganFan

... CBS who said that 30% actually arrives,...
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If a major state legacy media outlet says 30%,it is higher.

In many types of medical studies, 1/3 is a default, as in ‘1/3 improved. 1/3 became worse. 1/3 remained the same’. It means they are citing _chance_ outcomes.

If everyone lies, what are the odds CBS is telling the truth?


38 posted on 08/19/2022 8:33:12 AM PDT by reformedliberal (Make yourself less available.)
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To: cuz1961

Hmm, good but not as good as Giscard De’estaing personally receiving a pouch of hig caret, cut, but unmounted diamonds from Bedel Bokassa, the Cannibal king of the Central African Empire. Now that is real gall undivided.


39 posted on 08/19/2022 8:33:42 AM PDT by robowombat (Orth, all y aa)
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To: canuck_conservative

Yeah I followed the only and the only source for this is a Russian site.

No mention of a raise anywhere else on the internet.

I’m skeptical.


40 posted on 08/19/2022 8:34:14 AM PDT by Truthsearcher
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