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Why the US is becoming more brazen with its Ukraine support
The hill ^ | 09/04/2022 | Ellen Mitchell

Posted on 09/04/2022 5:12:47 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

The Biden administration is arming Ukraine with weapons that can do serious damage to Russian forces, and, unlike early in the war, U.S. officials don’t appear worried about Moscow’s reaction.

In the past several months, Washington has detailed tranches of new drones, harder-hitting missiles and deadly rocket systems as part of billions of dollars pledged to the former Soviet country. The clear support is a far cry from the early days of the war, when the U.S. government seemed hesitant to list exactly what was being sent into Ukraine so as not to tip off or draw the ire of Moscow.

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They have to pay off Zelensky to keep secrets and keep the money laundering going.
1 posted on 09/04/2022 5:12:47 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27

PedoHitler won’t stop poking the Bear until DC and New Yawk are molten pools of glass . That doesn’t sound that bad to me though . Not a fan of either .


2 posted on 09/04/2022 5:16:23 PM PDT by David Moser
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To: David Moser

Can they take S F. too?


3 posted on 09/04/2022 5:18:21 PM PDT by OHPatriot (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

The Democrats must have been doing some really awful stuff in Ukraine.


4 posted on 09/04/2022 5:22:20 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer” )
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To: ChicagoConservative27

This article is a puff piece.


5 posted on 09/04/2022 5:23:33 PM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
“Over time, the administration has recognized that they can provide larger, more capable, longer-distance, heavier weapons to the Ukrainians and the Russians have not reacted,” former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine William Taylor told The Hill.

The entitled children in Washington DC are writing a check your sorry asses will have to cash.

6 posted on 09/04/2022 5:24:11 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Why? Our morons in Washington are entangled in THE SUNK COST FALLACY. They are desperate to avoid the image of failure in Ukraine so they continue to escalate the costs by a never ending river of tens of billions of dollars.


7 posted on 09/04/2022 5:26:11 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27; marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; ...

Ukraine ping

Brazen is a word that only Democrats and Russian imperialists would use. Less than six months into the Korean War, the Russians not only supplied their latest aircraft to kill GI’s, they piloted those aircraft. Thanks to those efforts, the Korean peninsula remains divided today, and 38,000 GI’s were killed in the course of the war.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiG_Alley
[During October, the major Communist powers – China and the Soviet Union – commenced unofficial military support of North Korea. The Soviets also committed to supply North Korea and China with its latest MiG-15 fighters, and to train Korean and Chinese pilots to fly them.[citation needed] China officially entered the war in support of North Korea on October 25, 1950. While its strength in ground forces initially overwhelmed UN forces, the Chinese People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) was, at the time, small and no better equipped than the KPAAF.

While the Soviet Union never officially entered the war, on 1 November 1950, the 64th Fighter Aviation Corps (64 IAK) of the Soviet Air Forces was attached to the PLAAF, under the 1st United Air Army. That same day, Soviet-piloted MiG-15s began operating over North Korea and the first clashes between MiG-15s and US aircraft occurred, when eight aircraft from the Soviet Air Forces intercepted about 15 United States Air Force P-51 Mustangs flying a ground support mission. First Lieutenant Fiodor Chizh shot down and killed Mustang pilot First Lieutenant Aaron Abercrombie.[1] Later in the day, the first air combat between jets occurred, when three MiG-15s attacked about 10 USAF F-80s. While First Lieutenant Frank Van Sickle, in a F-80C, was killed, a US record states that he was shot down by AA fire. First Lieutenant Semyon F. Khominich (referred to as Jominich in some sources) – was credited with a kill by the Soviet authorities.[2] On November 9, 1950, a MiG-15 was destroyed in combat for the first time, when Lieutenant Commander William T. Amen of the US Navy, in a F9F-2B Panther, shot down and killed Captain Mikhail F. Grachev.[1]

In response to the deployment of MiG-15s, the UN’s P-51 squadrons began to convert to jet fighters. In the case of the USAF, this was the F-86 Sabre.
F-86A-5-NA Sabre 49-1223. This aircraft served with the 335th F-I Squadron, 4th F-IW in Korea. It was shot down by MiGs near Wonsan on February 3, 1952; the pilot ejected.

UN Command standing orders forbade pilots from crossing the Chinese border. On December 17, Lieutenant Colonel Bruce H. Hinton led a finger-four formation of Sabres from the 336th Fighter Squadron on a patrol, a 485-mile (780 km) round trip, along the Yalu River, in an attempt to draw the MiG pilots into combat. The Sabre pilots stayed below 475 mph (765 km/h), to create the impression on radar screens that the Sabres were a slower aircraft. The slower speed and two 120-US-gallon (450 l; 100 imp gal) drop tanks on each F-86 also provided maximum air time. Forty minutes after take-off the Sabres were approaching the Yalu at 32,000 feet (9,800 m). Four MiGs were spotted 7,000 feet (2,100 m) below the Sabres and about to pass beneath them. The Americans jettisoned their drop tanks and as the MiGs passed below, the Sabres turned to the left and dived down at the Soviet fighters. When the MiG pilots realized that their adversaries were not older jets that they could easily extend away from, they broke formation and headed for the border. Hinton caught up to the leader’s wingman, Major Yakov Efromeenko, and fired 1,500 rounds of .50 caliber bullets. Smoke belched from its jet pipe and flames enveloped the tail section. After Efromeenko ejected, the MiG crashed about 10 miles (16 km) south of the Yalu.[3]

On the morning of December 22, a Sabre was destroyed by a MiG-15 pilot for the first time. Captain Lawrence V. Bach’s F-86 was hit in the wing root by cannon fire from an unknown MiG pilot and Bach was captured after ejecting. That afternoon, eight Sabres from the USAF 4th Fighter-Interceptor Wing (4th F-IW), operating out of a forward base at K-14 Kimpo (Gimpo), attacked an estimated 15 MiGs at 30,000 feet (9,100 m) and pursued some to the Yalu, claiming six without loss. ]


8 posted on 09/04/2022 5:29:14 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: David Moser

Putin made the move into Ukraine to counter a hegemonistic NATO. NATO’s response was to double down. Historically speaking, Russia is primed for a pre emptive strike against Brussels. Perhaps DC is upping the ante now because they understand the EU is going to be frozen out of lock step support this winter.


9 posted on 09/04/2022 5:32:29 PM PDT by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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To: blueunicorn6
The Democrats must have been doing some really awful stuff in Ukraine.

This

10 posted on 09/04/2022 5:33:19 PM PDT by JonPreston
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Because of 6 a-holes on FR?


11 posted on 09/04/2022 5:34:42 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: PGR88

To all those born yesterday, the predecessor state of Russia, the Soviet Union, provided almost all the weapons that killed almost all American casualties in almost every war that involved the U.S from 1945 to the end of that state in 1991. And Russia has provided most the weapons that have done so since 1991. Without any compunction. So spare me.


12 posted on 09/04/2022 5:38:45 PM PDT by montaine
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To all those born yesterday, the predecessor state of Russia, the Soviet Union, provided almost all the weapons that killed almost all American casualties in almost every war that involved the U.S from 1945 to the end of that state in 1991

Yeah, and the British Burned Washington, and the Japanese tortured my uncle as a POW in WWII. What's your point, exactly?

13 posted on 09/04/2022 5:42:39 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: OHPatriot

An over the pole shot would be pretty easy for the Russkies!


14 posted on 09/04/2022 5:44:39 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Did Ukraine receive all of the fighter jets that Trump wanted them to get?


15 posted on 09/04/2022 5:44:53 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Thanks to Rep. Doris Matsui (D-CA) the Ukies took in 30 older Tomahawk missiles in July. No word if they’ve been used yet.


16 posted on 09/04/2022 5:45:00 PM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ Soviet Russia must be destroyed. ☭☭☭)
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To: montaine; Zhang Fei

“To all those born yesterday, the predecessor state of Russia, the Soviet Union, provided almost all the weapons that killed almost all American casualties in almost every war that involved the U.S from 1945 to the end of that state in 1991. And Russia has provided most the weapons that have done so since 1991. Without any compunction. So spare me.”

BINGO, BINGO, BINGO.

RuZZia is being demilitarized and denazified. Just image a year, 2 years, 5 years from now. RuZZia’s military will be hallowed out. Weakened military and economy. Hopefully weakened economy leads to a faster declining population.


17 posted on 09/04/2022 5:47:47 PM PDT by SpeedyInTexas (The Only Good RuZZian is a Dead RuZZian)
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To: 5th MEB

Russia can’t win a war against Ukraine. I assure you I’m not losing any sleep worrying they’re any kind of threat to anyone else.

Also, see my tagline.


18 posted on 09/04/2022 5:48:27 PM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ Soviet Russia must be destroyed. ☭☭☭)
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To: montaine

“So spare me.”

Oh please,
spare me your irrelevant thirty plus year old ‘analysis’ of real world today.


19 posted on 09/04/2022 5:53:12 PM PDT by A strike (LGBFJRoberts)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Putin did NOT give a televised speech calling half of the Russian people “dangerous.” Biden DID give a televised speech Thursday that DID ACCUSE HALF OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OF BEING “DANGEROUS” TO AMERICAN DEMOCRACY because they want to Make America Great Again.

The ramping up of big weapons and billions of dollars being sent to Ukraine (with no accountability) is to try and hide American politicians’ massive bribes, extortion and kickbacks in Ukraine and prevent evidence being presented of 46 American-financed bioweapons labs in that corrupt country.


20 posted on 09/04/2022 5:54:19 PM PDT by Gnome1949
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