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Zelensky's war???
1 posted on 09/12/2022 5:57:58 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: JonPreston
Complete nonsense.


2 posted on 09/12/2022 6:00:56 AM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: JonPreston

What, he is supposed to “negotiate” with his country’s molester?


3 posted on 09/12/2022 6:02:55 AM PDT by yldstrk (Bingo! We have a winner!)
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So that is why Zelensky’s Ukrainian troops invaded Russia?!?

IBT is a Russian troll.


4 posted on 09/12/2022 6:04:32 AM PDT by Carl Vehse (A proud member of the LGBFJB community)
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To: JonPreston

Does the author blame rape victims for “asking for it.”

I recommend the author watch this video and learn from it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If61baWF4GE

rasPutin and his billionaire backers want the oil and gas under Donbas and Crimea.

rasPutin and his toads repeatedly state “The greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century was the dissolution of the Soviet Union!”

Srednik begs to differ. The Russian Revolution was the greatest catastrophe of that century. Yasno.


7 posted on 09/12/2022 6:09:38 AM PDT by Srednik (Polyglot. Overeducated. Redeemed by Christ. Anticommunist from the womb.)
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To: JonPreston; Timber Rattler

Rubbish.

But take haste. I think the Russians have something up their sleeve in the Kherson region given their retreat and the attacks on the power stations.

Also, we will know if the Russian position is collapsing should they evacuate Mariupol.


24 posted on 09/12/2022 6:22:16 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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Zelensky Not Victim But Instigator? Ukraine President Took an Ego Trip and Refused Talks With Russia Days Before War

Completely disingenuous article which doesn't state Russian demands at the time. For Ukraine, disarm(de-militirize and de-nazify), no NATO, recognize Crimea as Russian, recognize Donbas and Luhansk as independent, give Russian language official status, and allow every oblast(State) the right to vote for independence. Complete surrender and the end of Ukraine as a country.

31 posted on 09/12/2022 6:26:02 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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In most of your posts, it appears you are begging for rubles from your communists’ friends.

With this additional nonsense, you will not get a single kopek.

Perhaps some sunflower seeds to keep in your pocket.


33 posted on 09/12/2022 6:26:34 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last messa)
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globohomos will not like this.

Zelensky is a saint, ok? And he can send as many of his countrymen to needlessly die as he wants, ok? The guy plays the piano with his penis after all, so do not question him. Just send more cash.


37 posted on 09/12/2022 6:32:47 AM PDT by imabadboy99
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Your pro-RuZZian disinfo campaign has run upon the shoals of reality. Give it up.


39 posted on 09/12/2022 6:38:10 AM PDT by ScottinVA
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Instigator? More like a puppet.


40 posted on 09/12/2022 6:39:25 AM PDT by CodeToad (No Arm up! They have!)
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The Russians had Ukraine surrounded and thought they were making him an offer he couldn’t refuse. Well Kudos to Zelensky for refusing.


41 posted on 09/12/2022 6:41:19 AM PDT by libh8er
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He did what he was supposed to do by the people who put him in place. He is being paid to do this. A war with Russia was needed and so it is.


42 posted on 09/12/2022 6:43:24 AM PDT by dforest
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Complete nonsense. The Ukrainians were desperately trying to get through to Russia to avert the SMO - Russia was responding to a smorgasbord of complete bullshit from Pushilin and Pasechnik while ignoring its own intelligence telling it that the Ukes were getting tooled up on a massive scale. And the intel actually suggested Ukraine was arming itself to DEFEND itself from Russia, rather than to attack the separatists.

Look no further than Russia's own news agency, Tass, for proof. What led up to and sparked the Ukraine conflict in 2022 | TASS

"In January 2022, Western states started ramping up military assistance to Kiev.... In addition, Ukraine received free-of-charge financial assistance and loans from the West."

Anyone who is not a completely vodka-sozzled vatnik would read that intelligence report and the enormous list of countries throwing help Ukraine's way and think this might merit some checking out BEFORE ordering a convoy of extremely poorly maintained vehicles staffed by conscripts who are by law prohibited from taking on combat missions in other countries, to go on a slow march into Ukraine, to force a regime change.

So why did they press on? Well, rather brilliantly, TASS explained that as well.

"Pushilin said according to him Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky was going to soon order the military to implement a plan to invade the territory of the DPR and LPR. With that in mind, the people’s republics declared general mobilization."

Unfortunately for Russia, this claim turned out to be as accurate as

What isn't clear is, did the D/LPR stooges invent the claims themselves or were they making claims that the Kremlin had told them to make. Either way you get a brilliant confirmation bias - A tells B to say something, B tells C, C asks A, A assumes B is telling the truth because surely C would've checked, and bingo - all three parties end up convinced that nobody made anything up.

Tass rightly points out, Putin jumped to it literally because he believed whatever the (hardly impartial) separatist leaders told each other to tell the security agencies to tell him. Note the second sentence.

"On February 21, the heads of the DPR and LPR, Denis Pushilin and Leonid Pasechnik, asked the Russian president to recognize the republics’ independence. On the same day, after the expanded meeting with the Security Council members, Putin announced in a televised address to the citizens a decision on recognizing the sovereignty of the DPR and LPR.

The president urged the Ukrainian authorities to immediately stop combat operations in Donbass, stressing that otherwise Kiev would be responsible for any possible continuation of bloodshed."

OK, so in the same article you've got confirmation that the DPR said Z was ABOUT to launch an operation, and therefore Putin needed to tell Z to stop combat operations. You can't stop something that hasn't started yet.

Pushilin and Pesechnik lied. That much is obvious. What's not clear is, why (given their narratives ended up so contradictory, they couldn't be telling the truth) did Putin follow their call and make a total prat of himself? Surely at some point someone would've spotted the myriad of contradictions and falsehoods in their intel?

And, why did nobody weigh up their inconsistent narrative with the far more robust intelligence about Europe and NATO readying themselves to throw Ukraine a huge amount of support to repel an invasion?

47 posted on 09/12/2022 6:50:12 AM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdjOR2)
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“Zelensky’s war???”

Naa, he was just taking orders by the Neocons, backed up by the Azovs - pretty obvious.


49 posted on 09/12/2022 6:50:54 AM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Latvia: 44 degrees)
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USA aid coming through Biden, whether as VP or POTUS, comes with strings attached. Biden has been a major player in Ukrainian politics for a long time. Could Zelensky have been just a Biden proxy all along???


57 posted on 09/12/2022 7:09:45 AM PDT by elpadre (W )
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If Russia was as good at war as at propaganda, they would have won already.


62 posted on 09/12/2022 7:14:47 AM PDT by devere
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And then Azov began that massive artillery attack on the Donbass as soon as Russia recognized their Declaration of Independence.


64 posted on 09/12/2022 7:18:30 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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Now that’s a bit of twisted and comical reasoning


65 posted on 09/12/2022 7:18:37 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds )
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The amount of pro-Russian nonsense posted on FR is amazing.

Ukraine did not attack Russia, nor was it making preparations to do so. So why, exactly, was Zelensky supposed to negotiate? And what was he supposed to negotiate about? Ukraine's surrender?

67 posted on 09/12/2022 7:21:31 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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Poor poor Jon.

Sit down for a minute. Take a deep breath. Get yourself
prepared. Read on when you’ve braced yourself.

Vladimir Putin order 100-150,000 troops across the border into
the Ukraine earlier this year.

Zelensky hasn’t invaded any nation.

Are you okay? Do you need us to call someone for you?

This is Vlaidimir Putin’s war, and there’s no amount of
B. S. propaganda you can spread by the tractor trailer
load that is going to change that.

Deal with it, and try to grow up.


69 posted on 09/12/2022 7:21:56 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which stands.)
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