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Nuclear War With Russia? No, Thanks; Can we please get peace negotiations started before world goes up in a flash?
American Conservative ^ | September 23 2022 | Rod Dreher

Posted on 09/28/2022 8:27:15 PM PDT by NeverCheney

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To: NeverCheney

You aren’t making sense and you aren’t reading my posts.

It is Putin who is threatening nuclear war if he keeps losing in battles with the non-nuclear country he is invading, and Putin started that threat on the first day he invaded his neighbor, on the third day he put his nukes on alert.

Russia is not being attacked or threatened by anyone.


21 posted on 09/28/2022 9:29:03 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: NeverCheney

And I am old enough to remember when the Left promoted fear of nuclear war as a reason for appeasement of the Soviet Union. I wonder just what kind of peace deal with Putin that the author has in mind. The surrender of Ukraine? Our surrender?


22 posted on 09/28/2022 9:29:54 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: NeverCheney

Russia, or Putin I should say, wants to capture land he thinks is rightfully Russian full of ethnic Russian. He won’t nuke what he wants.

This seems to be a continuation of the FUps of the Treaty of Versailles redrawing borders which should not have been drawn.

My 2 cents.


23 posted on 09/28/2022 9:31:59 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes.)
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This seems to be a continuation of the FUps of the Treaty of Versailles redrawing borders which should not have been drawn.

It is.

24 posted on 09/28/2022 9:32:38 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ansel12

You think Putin is the only one talking nukes? It’s been back and forth. There are no innocent’s involved. It’s been handled as bad as Afghanistan.

This administration are loose cannons. And we are the ones suffering.
They seem to be itching for a direct war with this new escalation. And yes, we all know ‘we’ did it. I pray a false flag doesn’t occur here next.


25 posted on 09/28/2022 9:34:13 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: Organic Panic

And everything happening in the Middle East is a continuation of Britain and France’s Sykes–Picot Agreement, which betrayed the Arabs who helped them against The Ottoman Empire.


26 posted on 09/28/2022 9:34:48 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Organic Panic

I’m still trying to figure out how my life and my family’s life is worse if Russia runs Eastern Ukraine, as it did for hundreds of years and nobody in the US knew the difference


27 posted on 09/28/2022 9:37:33 PM PDT by NeverCheney
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To: HollyB

As Trump points out, Putin is constantly talking nukes and has his government people and state media constantly talking about nukes.

Putin was threatening us with nukes as he launched his invasion, on February 24, 2022, three days later he put his nuclear forces on alert to emphasize that threat.


28 posted on 09/28/2022 9:38:23 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: Rockingham

What kind of peace deal does Trump have in mind?


29 posted on 09/28/2022 9:38:44 PM PDT by NeverCheney
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To: NeverCheney

Hell Russia under the Czars had “Congress Poland” and we were on friendly enough terms that we were able to buy Alaska from them.


30 posted on 09/28/2022 9:39:01 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ansel12

Wicker was the first to bring up nukes in December 2021.

“ We don’t rule out first-use nuclear action, we don’t think it will happen, but there are certain things in negotiations, if you are going to be tough, that you don’t take off the table,” he explained.”


31 posted on 09/28/2022 9:42:42 PM PDT by HollyB
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I don’t know if you have kids, but will you send them to fight for Ukraines independence?

Ukraine was under Russia’s rule for hundreds of years. How did that make life worse for a single American family?

The focus on Ukraine is exactly the kind of America-last mentality that Trump ran against

I’m MAGA - make America great again - not MUGA ( make Ukraine great again( , I’m concerned about fixing the huge problems in America, not sending our tax dollars to Ukraine, or Afghanistan, or Venezuala or any other country that our politicians care more about than this country.


32 posted on 09/28/2022 9:43:29 PM PDT by NeverCheney
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To: NeverCheney

The big guy got his cut from both sides. The longer this goes on the more money he makes.


33 posted on 09/28/2022 9:44:01 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes.)
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To: HollyB

I saw that old fool Wicker talking up nuclear war. What a damnable old idiot. You know that he and his family will be able to shelter in an underground government fortress while the rest of us get radiation poisoning.


34 posted on 09/28/2022 9:46:51 PM PDT by NeverCheney
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To: HollyB

Wicker isn’t the administration or even in its party.

Putin is the dictator of Russia and is in command and control of its nuclear weapons and is currently invading Ukraine and was the day he threatened nukes and 3 days before he ordered them put on alert.

Trump is correct, Putin is constantly using the “N” word.


35 posted on 09/28/2022 9:47:36 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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Trump was the first Potus to not initiate conflict in many years. In fact, he created more international stability thru various peace negotiations. Even N Korea stopped their bs. Trump is about peace. He’s strong. Ie ..peace thru strength. But, He doesn’t threaten. He means business. That’s why nukes wouldn’t enter his vocabulary.


36 posted on 09/28/2022 9:47:39 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: ansel12

He was a representative of this nation. If that was said by another politician towards us, we’d say something in return. Which is exactly how it started. Putin responded.


37 posted on 09/28/2022 9:49:19 PM PDT by HollyB
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Trump scared Russia with his push to strengthen NATO, reactivate V Corps and move it forward to Poland, rebuild our nuke forces, and tell NATO to disengage from Russia for crucial needs such as energy.

As far as mentioning nukes—— The letters are capitalized because of the transcript.

LOOK, STUART, WHEN HE GOES IN AND HE KILLS THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE WE GOING TO JUST SIT BY AND WATCH?

THIS COUNTRY WILL BE IN 100 YEARS FROM NOW THEY WILL BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT A TRAVESTY, A HORRIBLE THING THIS IS. WE CAN’T LET THAT, JUST ON A HUMAN BASIS WE CAN’T LET THAT HAPPEN, AND THEN HE SAYS THAT THERE ARE NUCLEAR POWER BUT WE’RE A GREATER NUCLEAR POWER.

I HATED TO DO IT, BUT I REBUILT OUR NUCLEAR CAPABILITY LIKE NOBODY HAS EVER THOUGHT EVEN POSSIBLE. $2.5 TRILLION IN OUR MILITARY, AND A BIG CHUNK OF IT WENT TO NUCLEAR AND WE’RE DOING IT. WE HAD 45-YEAR-OLD AND 50- YEAR-OLD WEAPONS THAT WE DIDN’T EVEN KNOW IF THEY WORKED AND NOW WE HAVE BRAND NEW STUFF THAT’S IMMENSELY POWERFUL AND HOPE TO GOD YOU NEVER HAVE TO USE IT BECAUSE IT BE , THAT BE THE TRAGEDY OF ALL TRAGEDIES

BUT IF WE DIDN’T HAVE IT WE COULDN’T TALK BUT I LISTENED TO HIM CONSTANTLY USING THE N WORD , THAT’S THE N WORD, AND HE’S CONSTANTLY USING IT. THE NUCLEAR WORD, AND WE NEVER TALK, WE SAY OH, HE’S A NUCLEAR POWER, BUT WE’RE A GREATER NUCLEAR POWER.

WE HAVE THE GREATEST SUBMARINES IN THE WORLD, MOST POWERFUL MACHINES EVER BUILT, MOST POWERFUL AND THEY GOT BUILT UNDER ME. MOST POWERFUL MACHINES EVER BUILT AND NOBODY KNOWS WHERE THEY ARE AND

YOU SHOULD SAY LOOK , IF YOU MENTION THAT WORD, ONE MORE TIME, WE’RE GOING TO SEND THEM OVER AND WE’LL BE COASTING BACK AND FORTH UP AND DOWN YOUR COAST. YOU CAN’T LET THIS TRAGEDY CONTINUE. YOU CAN’T LET THESE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE DIE. IT’S GOING TO BE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS AND MAYBE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE BY THE TIME IT ENDS.


38 posted on 09/28/2022 9:53:32 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12

So what would you like them to do if you had your way?


39 posted on 09/28/2022 9:55:00 PM PDT by HollyB
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I’ve been posting it, we ignore their threats and conduct our business in our NATO alliance as we are, as Trump would have done and as Reagan did.

To: NeverCheney
What a crock, we don’t surrender to nuclear threats, if we did, then it is all over for us and the world.

Putin is trying to normalize nuclear weapons for regular wars of conquest and invasions of other countries, in other words, introduce nuclear weapons as a normal weapon for attacking other nations, which would open it for Red China and N. Korea, and in time Iran.
8 posted on 9/28/2022, 9:51:32 PM by ansel12


To: NeverCheney
No one is attacking Russia, no one is interested in attacking Russia, and Russia is not being invaded.

Reagan threatened Russia with total annihilation if they used nukes on us.

Russia is threatening us and NATO with nuclear weapons if we don’t do as they order, think about that, not to save mother Russia, but as part of normal invasions of other countries.
12 posted on 9/28/2022, 10:04:55 PM by ansel12


40 posted on 09/28/2022 10:02:59 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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