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Russian elite voice growing anger as losses mount in Ukraine
France 24/AFP ^ | October 6, 2022 | AFP Staff Report

Posted on 10/07/2022 4:42:06 AM PDT by Timber Rattler

A growing list of failings and defeats in Ukraine have spawned angry outbursts from Russia's elite, who still support the "military operation" but have gone as far as to suggest army chiefs should face the firing squad.

Before September saw a series of battlefield reversals, public criticism of the army was rare.

The offensive had been presented as a sacred, patriotic mission and speaking ill of the armed forces could lead to a long stay in prison.

Today, nobody among the elite is calling into question the merits of Moscow's viewpoint or the operation against a neighbouring nation.

But the military setbacks and problems over the mobilisation of hundreds of thousands of reservists have led usually quiet public figures to attack the military hierarchy.

On Wednesday, the head of the lower house of parliament's defence committee, said the army should "stop lying", as daily briefings praise enormous losses supposedly suffered by Ukrainian forces without mention of Russian troop reversals.

"The people know. Our people are not stupid," warned former general Andrei Kartapolov.

"And they see that we do not want to tell them even part of the truth. That can lead to a loss of credibility," he told the online show of star presenter Vladimir Solovyov, an ultra-patriot.

(Excerpt) Read more at france24.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: andreikartapolov; downwardspiral; europe; news; putinlovertrollsonfr; putinsbuttboys; putinworshippers; ramzankadyrov; russia; russianimplosion; russiannazis; russiansuicide; russianviking; sergeishoigu; ukraine; vladtheimploder; wagnergroup; war; yevgenyprigozhin; zottherussiantrolls
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Comrade Putin's lies and incompetence have become apparent to even his hardcore milblogger lackeys...


1 posted on 10/07/2022 4:42:06 AM PDT by Timber Rattler
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To: Timber Rattler

Beware of what you are asking for. The for Russia invests into it, tue more returns it is going to want. Likely much more than Ukraine.


2 posted on 10/07/2022 4:53:37 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: Timber Rattler

You must live in the northeast Philadelphia area of Pennsylvania, where most of the PA Ukrainians live. Meanwhile, your GLoboHomo Puppet is talking about nuclear ARMAGEDDON.

Biden warns the world is facing the prospect of ARMAGEDDON for the first time since the Cuban missile crisis - saying Putin is deadly serious about using tactical nukes in Ukraine: ‘He’s not joking’

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4098886/posts


3 posted on 10/07/2022 4:55:58 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus (Tony Fauci: You had one job and you failed!)
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To: Timber Rattler

Four propaganda threads in a row…impressive.


4 posted on 10/07/2022 4:56:11 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: NorseViking
Standard Pentagon Troll Disclaimer.

Now that Twitter and FB are tighteing up, they have lots more time to post propaganda on FR.


5 posted on 10/07/2022 4:57:04 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Timber Rattler

I see the new press release went out from the WEF to their media lapdogs as we see multiple “news” articles about Russia’s losses, morale, etc.

They need this cover after Zelensky asked for a pre-emptive nuclear strike on Russia.


6 posted on 10/07/2022 4:58:49 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (We are being manipulated by forces that most do not see)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I love the “logic”.

We need to use nukes so nukes won’t be used...


7 posted on 10/07/2022 5:09:46 AM PDT by EEGator
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We need to use nukes so nukes won’t be used...

Zelensky has wasted bodies taking ground that is worthless. Russia is going to come back and rout the Ukrainians in the winter.

Zelensky refuses to negotiate, but I think he will not have a choice come early 2023.

8 posted on 10/07/2022 5:14:50 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (We are being manipulated by forces that most do not see)
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To: Timber Rattler

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9 posted on 10/07/2022 5:16:53 AM PDT by sauropod (Unbelief has nothing to say. Chance favors the preparbkmked mind.)
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To: EEGator

We have to nuke the village in order to save it.


10 posted on 10/07/2022 5:18:14 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I concur. This is such a needless war to continue.
Putin is an ass, but Zelensky is a egotistical d-bag.
It should also be a fun Winter for those reliant on Russian fuels.
It’s always the poor that get cornholed in wars.


11 posted on 10/07/2022 5:20:01 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Yo-Yo

In essence, that’s what he was saying.


12 posted on 10/07/2022 5:20:35 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Timber Rattler

I don’t want to disappoint you, but Zelensky crying out for the west nuking Russia reeks of desperation. I think the Russians have withdrawn to await the hard frost and the outcomes of the midterms.

If the Democrats win both houses, you probably will see Putin attack Kiev from the north through Belorussia to end it right away.

If the Republicans win and there’s split power, you’ll probably see him continue his slow meatgrinder war of killing 100s of Ukrainians a day until Europe cries uncle and sits down to the table.

People act like Russia’s on its last leg, but it’s only committed 20% or so of its forces.

Of course, Putin could be assassinated tomorrow, who knows. I just don’t want my daughters dying of fallout.


13 posted on 10/07/2022 5:21:39 AM PDT by struggle
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To: Timber Rattler
This is the bahavior of a winner.


14 posted on 10/07/2022 5:23:16 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: EEGator

It is. I could not make 4 separate threads in that amount of time. Sounds like this is posted by a whole nest of snakes.


15 posted on 10/07/2022 5:26:00 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Timber Rattler

4 articles posted in 15 minutes.


16 posted on 10/07/2022 5:31:52 AM PDT by Flick Lives (FJB and the corrupt FBI)
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To: AndyJackson

Zelensky is proposing a preemptive stake on Russia to warn them about using nukes?

Yeah, that’ll help deescalate the situation. / sarc


17 posted on 10/07/2022 5:35:34 AM PDT by Flick Lives (FJB and the corrupt FBI)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Agree...I'm starting to think a real coup might take place in Ukraine...balancing out the coup that we supported which brought Poroshenko to power. He was a Russian Hating dictator.

Ukraine, 30 years later, has not done well by their independence.

18 posted on 10/07/2022 5:41:46 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: Timber Rattler

The article while true entirely missed the point.

The net worth of the “elite” is dwindling as the Russian economy withers to nothingness. Wealth in locations outside of Russia is sanctioned. Wealth within Russia is dwindling as GNP precipitously drops

When elite mama can’t buy Starbucks everyday and her Mercedes is in the Daca garage because there are no Mercedes parts to keep it running, Elite daddy catches hell at home


19 posted on 10/07/2022 5:46:03 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day)
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4 articles posted in 15 minutes

you sound jealous ...


20 posted on 10/07/2022 5:46:47 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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