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To: grumpygresh

“Why are there so many pro Putin people on FR?”

This war has exposed there are two very different flavours of conservatism:

1) Small government conservatives. People who hate that the left is using big government to impose a leftist social order and believe the solution to limit government and defend free speech, free religion and free markets.
2) Big government conservatives. People who wish that instead of the state imposing leftist ides the state would instead impose a conservative social order.

Putin is the great hero to people who want an all powerful government that imposes a conservatism on the nation.


77 posted on 10/08/2022 4:57:25 AM PDT by Renfrew
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To: Renfrew

It’s stunning that people could honor a man that has invaded a sovereign nation and threatens use of nukes when things aren’t working out well for him.,


79 posted on 10/08/2022 5:17:36 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Civil disobedience by non-compliance; jury and state nullification. )
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To: Renfrew

And that is absolutely misconstrued and you know it. Very telling that you would be so deceptive about true perspectives.


92 posted on 10/08/2022 5:46:08 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Renfrew; grumpygresh; Travis McGee; Noumenon

“Why are there so many pro-Putin people on FR?”

OK, once more.

I am pro-Russia. If and when they lose, it will be a defeat for our nation.

I have zero interest in Putin. If he lives, if he dies, is of no importance to me. However, the personalization of important historical currents: “another Hitler”, “another Mao”, “another Stalin”, etc, etc leads to emotionalism and sloppy thinking.

I support spheres of influence. I learned the Monroe Doctrine in elementary school and it seems like a reasonable accommodation to the cause of peace.

To force Russia to accede in Ukraine what we would never tolerate in Mexico is provoking conflict. We have been picking at this scab for decades, until we have arrived at July 1914.

All wars look short and victorious when viewed prospectively. Our Deep State’s war with Russia will be neither.

And suppose the war is won, the Russian state is overthrown and (as inevitable logic demands) is dismantled? The Bush-CIA-WEF “rules-based international order” grows stronger. The authority of the environmentalist, perversion-loving, atheist and socialist internationale over you, your family, your home and your community grows and grows.

How can you possibly want this as an outcome? Victory for a Washington, or a Churchill, but one who plays the piano with his penis?

I see a NWO victory in Ukraine as a boot stamping on a human face, forever, and I dread it.


204 posted on 10/08/2022 12:56:06 PM PDT by Jim Noble (And manly hearts to guard the fair)
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