Posted on 10/09/2022 5:47:50 AM PDT by JonPreston
I didn’t ask you what you wouldn’t do, I asked you what you would do.
UKR needs to march on Moscow and pull the little fascist out of his bunker. Then prosecute him for his fascist reign of terror against both Ukrainians and Russians.
The “population” are 2% Galician Nazis on CIA payroll.
Iraq. Afghanistan. Syria. Libya. Sudan. Somalia. Without "invasions," there would have been no Clinton, Bush I or II, no Obama, and certainly no Biden. Trump tried out the "no new war" rhetoric howled down by the MSN types, while some warring still went on, so there's that. Shocking.
Well, you’re forwarding an ultimatum rather than engaging in peace which makes you a dishonest warmonger.
So true
Three in four Americans say U.S. should support Ukraine despite Russian threats, Reuters/Ipsos poll shows
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/three-four-americans-say-us-should-support-ukraine-despite-russian-threats-2022-10-05/
Those sanctions were permanent. They did far too much damage. Think they will happily put their money and gold back into western banks? Use swift again? Buy Boeings? Sell energy to Europe?
The west showed its ass. Their will be no return to normal until the oligarchs in DC, London and Brussels are deposed. And that seems nowhere near. We’ll win big in November and install a McCarthy McGraham, McConnell leadership that hates Russia the same as always.
Now show what Russians in Ukraine are fighting for. Washing machines, etc.
Sorry....Biden needs to keep this going hot and heavy until the elections. When we get the House and Senate, he will start again with Executive Orders. I think he signed about 70 on the first work day in office.
Excuse me, a Reuters poll is propaganda.
More than the gtfo out of Ukraine. It must include exiting of Crimea, reparations to Ukraine and Europe for pain and suffering pertaining to the war and loss using gas as a weapon, and war crimes with Putin at number 1 in the indictments.
I tend to agree.....Putins moved on esepcially since Obama.....he began a major tour of all his neighboring countries and others making one deal after another, and since then..... So he was clearly prepared for what we see happening now and also was very clear about who the sanctions would ultimately hurt...and he was right.
It’s also been obvious the US has wanted to isolate Russia for years.....just look at any map of our military bases surrounding Russia. Yet people here still think Russia is over reacting.
Putin knows who is running the show here - so he also knew what his moves would be. So he went for Ukraine land he needed to secure his ports and eastern flank.
It’s what Russia opted for from the beginning. The land bridge is being used at the present time. The news people are a bit behind.
Everything Russia currently occupies belonged to them prior to the Russian civil war in 1921. Is that correct?
Right, the military bases in Poland, Romania, Latvia, Estonia, etc. I wonder why all these countries previously occupied by Russia wanted to be in NATO? The only reason must be that they wanted to 'isolate' Russia. Idiocy
And that's it, is it?
Russia gets to use fuel blackmail on eastern Europe for twenty years, invades three sovereign countries, and all it has to do to get a free pass EVERY TIME is walk home leaving behind a smouldering wreck for us to clear up? The more we choose appeasement, the more they'll regroup, tool up, correct past mistakes, and attempt it again down the line.
Russia is an 11 time zone country that has completely failed to do anything useful with the resources it's already got, so its solution is steal other people's. Retreat isn't enough. You don't say to a marauding gang of looters, "just go home and we'll forget it ever happened".
NATO expansion stops = peace
1. We already let Russia negotiate the terms for peace in eastern Europe - in 1990, 1991 and all the way through to Minsk 2. There hasn't been a single one signed since the fall of the USSR that Russia stuck to. People can complain Ukraine didn't deliver on Minsk 1 - but which bit of it did Russia deliver? As for Minsk 2, even the DNR says Ukraine was delivering SOME of it while the checklist of things Russia was supposed to deliver from its side remains as unticked as those fake ballot papers counted for "Da" in the Zaporizhzhia referendum.
2. Ukraine said explicitly to Russia in April that it had already abandoned pursuit of NATO membership, and would settle for "security guarantees" i.e. the status quo ante established with the Budapest Memorandum - Russia said nyet, not good enough.
3. NATO gave Russia (in 2008/09, again in 2014, again in December 2021 and again in January 2022) a comprehensive list of hoops Ukraine would have to jump through before it could even hypothetically join the alliance, including
Russia still said, nyet, not good enough. NATO must abandon its open door policy, and withdraw protection over the Baltic NATO states in addition to vetoing Ukraine ever being able to apply.
If "NATO expansion stops" does that include telling NATO it must say no to Finland and Sweden - two formerly neutral countries that are not led by maniacal warmongering assholes - just to appease the country that is led by maniacal warmongering assholes?
Biden, and Biden Republicans, need to get on board and start peace negotiations.
On what basis? And with whom? Something is afoot in Russia, and we need to wait and find out who we'll end up talking to.
Until recently only three people in Russia could notionally order the use of nukes: Putin, the Russian defence minister (Shiogu) and the chief of the general staff (Gerasimov). There are reports today that 2 out of that 3 have been relieved of duty. Wagner are reporting that Shiogu has handed in his resignation. If they're replaced with Prigozhin and Kadyrov then we basically have two guys with a hard-on for firing nukes into Ukraine, both getting their mitts on the cheget. as well as each having their own private army.
Currently, Prigozhin is in flight from Belgorod to what appears to be Rostov-on-Don but if that's where he's going he is taking the most ridiculously circular route: https://www.flightradar24.com/multiview/2dc6c72f flight RA-02795.
If the old guard is replaced with Prigozhin and Kadyrov then all bets are off for negotiated peace. They've both made it abundantly clear, they WANT war. Not just in eastern Europe, but inside Russia itself. Here's some fun from Priggy: https://t.me/Prigozhin_hat/1793. Basically, he is talking about not just war on the rest of Europe, but against the controlling oligarchy that Yeltsin and Putin both enabled. Implied in it is the restoration (or some future model based on) the USSR.
Here's some of it translated:
By the way, in August 1991, I also participated in those events, however, then I was on the side of the protesters - the liberal forces. We were then in the deepest delusion, and instead of directing the fundamental assembled country, called the USSR, into a new direction, giving the idea of private property, a new vector of economic development and working on mistakes, we all together destroyed it to the ground. We carried out a command from the United States and destroyed the greatest empire of our time for the sake of a bunch of greedy, treacherous creatures who, on the sly, plundered factories, factories, steamships..... What we got as a result: Khodorkovsky, Berezovsky and others - a pack of dogs attacked the property of the Soviet Union and pulled it in different directions. I, along with the protesters that day, went to the square and overturned trolleybuses so as not to return the USSR. For what? For the sake of an extra piece of sausage or boiled jeans. The results of today's problems were laid down in that distant 1991. By the way, those who destroyed the USSR are still alive and well, they manage factories and plants, and steamboats, they are called by one name - Russian oligarchs.
You want to negotiate with Russia if THAT becomes its motivation? You might as well negotiate with Islamic State and Al Qaeda.
These guys aren't content with rolling over Ukraine, they want the Russian state to claw back the assets of the kleptocracy, build up its military, and then conquer the territories that DID make a success of their post-Soviet independence. A new USSR, modelled on China.
Nonsense and not worthy of a response.
Excuse me, you are a British interloper. I don’t trust you as far as I can throw your king.
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