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To: Thunder90
Russia is not Communist. Wake up, Rip Van Winkle, the USSR died 30 years ago.


15 posted on 10/18/2022 5:21:29 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
"Not an inch of NATO's present military jurisdiction will spread in an eastern direction." James Baker\

Moron is deliberately lying withholding context. Baker's comment was in regard to only East Germany, in negotiations on the re-unification of Germany which resulted in the 'Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany'.

Gorbachev, the President of the Soviet Union at the time said there was no promise not to enlarge NATO eastward past Germany. Former Soviet Foreign Minister, Eduard Shevardnadze also agreed, there was no limit on NATO enlargement.

No expansion of NATO eastward only covered East Germany. That's why there is a treaty-Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany, which states NATO troops would not be stationed in former East Germany.

Gorbachev, the head of the Soviet Union confirmed this in later interviews, that there was no promise, since NATO expansion past Germany was never brought up in discussions.

The topic of “NATO expansion” was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Not a singe Eastern European country raised the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist in 1991. Western leaders didn’t bring it up, either. Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces from the alliance would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement, mentioned in your question, was made in that context. Kohl and [German Vice Chancellor Hans-Dietrich] Genscher talked about it.

Mikhail Gorbachev: "I am against all walls" Oct 16 2014

https://www.rbth.com/international/2014/10/16/mikhail_gorbachev_i_am_against_all_walls_40673.html

Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Final_Settlement_with_Respect_to_Germany

16 posted on 10/18/2022 5:31:22 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: Travis McGee

Your map is out of date. Where are Sweden and Finland. You should have two more daggers pointing into the heart of Russia.


19 posted on 10/18/2022 5:39:53 AM PDT by Renfrew
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To: Travis McGee
And Gorby was representing what government at the time? Let's see . . . Oh. It was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics -- WHICH NO LONGER EXISTS!!!

Does an informal representation to the head of a government that is now defunct as to the intentions of a President and Secretary of State who are no long in office bind the the US and their successors in office? Nope. Not one bit. Not legally, not morally, and not in any practical sense.

22 posted on 10/18/2022 5:58:39 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Travis McGee

I think I have covered time and time again Putin’s Communist tendencies. Putin says that the collapse of the Soviet Union was the greatest catastrophe, that Communism is Compatible with Christanity, he has rehabilitated Stalin, he thinks that the collapse of the Soviet Union was illegal, he throws massive Soviet throwback parades every year, Lenin is still on display in Moscow, and no Soviet official ever faced trial for their crimes during Soviet times within the Russian Federation. And Putins bromance with Xi in China.


62 posted on 10/18/2022 10:46:04 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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