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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time
Let's look at the entire post-WW II era. NATO and Europe's freedom are a win. We won the Korean War in that South Korea is a free and prosperous ally today. The Vietnam War is less of a loss than it may seem in that it was won as a holding action that broke the Communist advance in Asia. And Vietnam today is on commercial good terms with the US and becoming an economic rival to China. We also won the larger Cold War, of course.

We won the First Gulf War, and time may yet show that we won the Iraq War, perhaps even the Afghan War, in spite of our ignominious last days there. We also won numerous brush fire wars and guerrilla actions. Columbia, for example, beat back its narco insurgency with US help. And I count Israel's survival as a free and prosperous American friend as a win.

48 posted on 10/18/2022 7:37:08 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham
--- "...in spite of our ignominious last days there."

We define "win" in very different terms. Yours seems akin to "battles," while the larger civilizational war is ongoing. Claiming Ho Chi Minh's "win" as our win is most amusing to me. Iraq is a mess, we still are involved militarily in Syria, Obama's Libya is also a mess, Afghanistan is ruled by the Taliban, and Israel's wars did not involve the American military. For such is was important for you to return to glory days for your response.

For myself and given $ 31 trillion in US debt today, it becomes past time for the prosperous 51 million South Koreans to man the DMZ by themselves, and pay fully for their own defense against the 26 million North Koreans, a backwater nation with half the population and a comparatively tiny economic base.

President Trump had observed of Europe that so many in NATO were not ponying up their agreed-upon share, and for this he was ridiculed. When Uncle Sam is supposed to be the world's policeman as well as the leading (by a lot) debtor nation in the world, it seems our priorities are now well out of whack. But what the heck let's just keep paying. We can't be out of money, because we still have blank checks left. After all, Biden just told us how great the economy is. Yeah for us!

51 posted on 10/18/2022 7:52:15 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow Government)
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