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Top strategic thinkers warned for years that the Ukraine War was coming if we continued down the same path.
Twitter Thread ^ | February 28, 2022 | Arnaud Bertrand

Posted on 10/22/2022 6:49:53 PM PDT by AndyJackson

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To: AndyJackson

The issue is mis-stated. The root of the desire to expand Nato is not on the part of national leadership of Nato, but a “grassroots” desire by the peoples involved, whether in or out of the Russian orbit, for separation and protection from Russia. This is a matter of popular will, both understandable and justified.

The denial of support and protection is an “f___ you” to these millions of people. Your lot should at least pretend to feel bad about it, imho.


21 posted on 10/22/2022 7:08:46 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: AndyJackson

The reason NATO expanded was that the newly liberated states of Eastern Europe feared Russia’s aggressive nature Events which have been proven by the attempt to conqueror Ukraine

Sweden and Finland, two long time neutral nations have recently joined NATO because of the Russian invasion

NATO expansion was in reaction to Russian aggression and
expansion


22 posted on 10/22/2022 7:09:31 PM PDT by njslim
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables

It is sort of a great cartoon, when you realize that the girl that you are annoying the crap out of has more nuclear weapons that your side does.


23 posted on 10/22/2022 7:09:56 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: njslim
NATO expansion was in reaction to Russian aggression and expansion

That is an anachronism - there I get to use that word once in my life.

24 posted on 10/22/2022 7:11:42 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

The finger poke is a matter of interpretation. Russia, collectively, is a “dark triad” narcissist. This very negative type can’t handle rejection. Thats the actual “poke”.


25 posted on 10/22/2022 7:11:51 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

And why it is a strategic blunder is well covered in the thread I posted and the individuals cited therein if you had read it rather than take up the neocon warmongering corrupt crony Ukraine is our money laundromat side.


26 posted on 10/22/2022 7:13:22 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

Hmmm. We are looking at the wreckage of a very large scale attempt at such expansionism just now. Anachronism?


27 posted on 10/22/2022 7:13:24 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: AndyJackson

—> Putin is the one who invaded a foreign countr

Oh yeah. My country has done that too.


28 posted on 10/22/2022 7:16:32 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: buwaya
Still has enough nuclear weapons to destroy the so-called civilized world, which is the point of this.

You see the problem is that Russia wants its own sphere of influence and we have declared that spheres of influence don't exist - because the globe is the sphere of influence of the global elite - and so Russia must be dismembered by the globalists and absorbed into the grand global scheme.

Putin's response is that he will destroy the world before that is going to happen.

Your response is that Putin is a thug. Ok. So we all die.

29 posted on 10/22/2022 7:16:35 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

We have? When, well discounting the last 236 times we did it?


30 posted on 10/22/2022 7:17:31 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables

+1


31 posted on 10/22/2022 7:17:32 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: AndyJackson

Note bene - Whatever Ukraines state of corruption, the payments to Biden and co came from Russia or Russian proxies (Burisima) in Ukraine. Putin was buying Biden.

The US MSM was deliberately playing that down (for obvious reasons, it would have made Biden look even worse), and you swallowed their line.

Strategy comes from the bottom up also, not just top-down. The plans of the masterminds are oft ruined by uncooperative peoples.


32 posted on 10/22/2022 7:19:13 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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Whatever Ukraines state of corruption, the payments to Biden and co came from Russia or Russian proxies (Burisima) in Ukraine. Putin was buying Biden.

This is frivolous. - Question - if Putin was paying off the corrupt US leadership why did they impeach Trump for interfering with the arming of Ukraine.

33 posted on 10/22/2022 7:21:42 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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I must have missed when Ukraine joined NATO. They didn’t even apply for it until after this war was launched. Other nations who were not in NATO also pushed to join AFTER this war was launched. The fact that Russia didn’t want to consider Ukraine as a sovereign nation is Russia’s fault, not the West’s and certainly not Ukraine which voted overwhelming to leave - in an actual election.

Engaging in revisionist history about past comments is quite extraordinary. Anything to try to justify the unjustifiable. Shameless!


34 posted on 10/22/2022 7:25:14 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: AndyJackson

The “global elite” is a fantasy, in part created by the “global elite” itself. They dont have such power, if the people organize and oppose them. Which is what most of Eastern Europe has done. What, do you think the Polish government are lackeys of the “global elite”?

These masters of the universe crash and burn on a regular basis. They were all for Nordstream and playing footsie with Putin, taking his bribes and etc., for decades. Putin financed the bulk of the Euro environmental movement, supported opposition to Keystone, paid off Hillary via the Clinton foundation, etc and etc.


35 posted on 10/22/2022 7:26:15 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

Apparently these people want us to also forget about this:

https://www.newsweek.com/hunter-biden-received-35-million-payment-ex-moscow-mayors-wife-republican-report-says-1533834


36 posted on 10/22/2022 7:26:42 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat

Ukraine applied to Nato in 2008.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%E2%80%93NATO_relations#:~:text=Ukraine%20applied%20to%20integrate%20with%20a%20NATO%20Membership,to%20keep%20the%20country%20non-aligned%2C%20was%20elected%20President.


37 posted on 10/22/2022 7:27:50 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Republican Wildcat

Yup.

“Ukrainian corruption” is one of the most hysterically inverted memes of the year.

Bunch of Putin clowns.


38 posted on 10/22/2022 7:30:05 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Williams

“Just maybe it was coming if RUSSIA continued down the same path.”

People who think like you will be eliminated from this party.


39 posted on 10/22/2022 7:30:16 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: AndyJackson

Methinks Arnaud is a one-worlder as he admires Kennan and Kissinger.

Doth he lean toward rasPutin?


40 posted on 10/22/2022 7:32:11 PM PDT by Srednik (Polyglot. Overeducated. Redeemed by Christ. Anticommunist from the womb.)
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