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To: MinorityRepublican

RE: Russia gets to keep Crimea. Ukraine pledges to remain neutral. Russia withdraws troops from occupied territories of Ukraine (not Crimea).

So, what happens to the Donbas regions?

What you’re describing is essentially the status quo BEFORE Russia invaded last February.


5 posted on 10/31/2022 8:59:30 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
The terms are a nonstarter, especially with Russia demanding that concessions be made beforehand. Yet there is value is holding "informal discussions" to clarify what Russia has in mind, which is probably what Lavrov is offering. If such discussions go well, they can become negotiations in fact without the burden of announcing them as such.

As Russia's circumstances and prospects continue to deteriorate, the terms will get better and at some point a deal might be made. That will likely not be the case, but talks of any sort will provide a better understanding of Putin's frame of mind and intentions. And that is what Putin hopes to learn about the US and NATO.

16 posted on 10/31/2022 9:24:10 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: SeekAndFind
So, what happens to the Donbas regions?

Belongs to Ukraine. I'm aware that there are Russian separatists there. But if Putin is not careful, Ukraine will take back Crimea. So he should settle for a peace treaty while he is still able to do so. If Putin gets international recognition of Crimea, that's a win.

25 posted on 10/31/2022 9:41:27 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: SeekAndFind; MinorityRepublican

What you’re describing is essentially the status quo BEFORE Russia invaded last February.

Russia should pay reparations to Ukraine. Russia withdraws from the occupied lands. UN supervised plebiscites in the Donbas. Russia keeps Crimea. Ukraine is neutral.


106 posted on 11/01/2022 5:24:42 AM PDT by rxh4n1
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