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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Democracy is a complex process. You think America went straight into an unalloyed democracy? Ever hear of the Alien and Sedition Act? Suspension of Habeas Corpus and censorship during the War Between the States and both world wars? The party machines throughout the late 19th and early 20th Centuries? Read JS Mills’ Thoughts on Representative Government.

America is a Republic, whose democratic factors are currently badly maimed. But it’s hardly the first time. Ukraine aspires to democracy, but has centuries of oppression and unrest to overcome, plus an Eastern European habit of corruption, drunkenness, and backwardness.

The war is not about democracy one way or another. If Ukraine were an absolute dictatorship and kleptocracy like Russia, simple decency, geopolitics, and the Budapest Memorandum would require the US to stand up for the people of Ukraine, regardless of who was President there.

But to the extent that democracy does have a tenuous, embryonic hold in Ukraine, it makes sense to analyze it objectively.


12 posted on 11/17/2022 10:41:44 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (Free country? Good morning, Rip. )
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To: Eleutheria5
Correction. America is, and has always been, an oligarchy...

Iron Law of Oligarchy

22 posted on 11/17/2022 10:52:34 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (What is left around which to circle the wagons?)
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To: Eleutheria5

Bullcrap...


26 posted on 11/17/2022 11:00:40 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Eleutheria5

“it makes sense to analyze it objectively”

I’m afraid that’s asking far too much of many current FReepers.


28 posted on 11/17/2022 11:07:32 AM PST by Boogieman
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