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California Looks to Ban Diesel Trucks at Ports by 2035
WSJ ^ | 20 November 2022 | Paul Berger

Posted on 11/21/2022 3:58:25 AM PST by NautiNurse

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To: NautiNurse
“We are counting on the shipper community to pay significantly elevated prices to support the higher equipment costs,”

No, people will ship containers and freight to other ports outside of California. Unless, that freight is finalizing in LA or Oakland.
It will become cheaper to ship into Tacoma, Vancouver, Mexico, Houston, and all the other US east coast ports. People do not understand that logistics is a function of the cost to transport an item from point A to point B the CHEAPEST possible way. IF you do not, someone else will sell that product to the end user for less than you. Trucking companies will just refuse to do business in California. People in California will pay more money for EVERYTHING.

41 posted on 11/21/2022 6:04:20 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: NautiNurse
I think where CA is headed is killing off the independent owner-operator and small companies. Large trucking companies will self fund their own charging infrastructure.

I've read plans that I believe likely to accomplish killing off the small guys. The scenario is for the large trucking companies to leverage their existing hubs to largely provide charging for their fleet.

Example…. The company has a hub in Long Beach and a second in Las Vegas. The Long Beach hub charges local short range trucks and long range trucks for the Las Vegas run. The long range trucks have capacity to make the LA-LV run on a single charge. At the LV hub, the trailer load would be switched to a different long range truck and new driver to continue on to the next hub.

I understand that Tesla has been trialing this with their short and long range truck test fleet for a year or two. Yep…. Tesla is going heavy into commercial trucks.

The independent owner~operator and small companies are excluded from this private charging network.

Solar and wind cannot supply the electrical energy to support large scale electrification of transportation. CA is going to crash.

My opinions….

42 posted on 11/21/2022 6:09:57 AM PST by Hootowl99
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To: NautiNurse

CA is enjoying a $25B budget shortfall. It will only get worse as the tempo of companies and people leaving rises.

It will be the realities of other peoples’ money that will educate them.


43 posted on 11/21/2022 6:15:47 AM PST by lurk (u)
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To: MCF

“I don’t see how they can implement this without the Federal Government’s approval.”

The federal government has no say in state operations as per the Constitution, state’s rights. And as long as there is a way to transport across state lines, their is no area in interstate commerce that is being violated.

There are currently 12 states working on banning petroleum trucks, California, New York, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maine, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Washington State, and Rhode Island. This is of course the word of Biden concerning his ecologist buddies and promises he made to them whether he can do them or not.

One hurdle in the way is the UAW with the problem that it takes less workforce to produce EVs than gas- and diesel-powered vehicles. A lot of campaign money comes from them.

wy69


44 posted on 11/21/2022 6:23:10 AM PST by whitney69
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To: MCF

They are counting on FedZilla imposing the same regs on the entire country.


45 posted on 11/21/2022 6:25:09 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (If you're not part of the solution, you're just scumming up the bottom of the beaker!)
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To: NautiNurse

California will be a much better state when all the illegals take over state politics and put an end to the Marxist hippie rule. At least the illegals know what a women is, drink beer and pump gas/oil.


46 posted on 11/21/2022 6:26:43 AM PST by Levy78 (Reject modernity, embrace tradition. )
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To: pas

You got it all wrong! The business’s are going to have to pay for it! /S


47 posted on 11/21/2022 6:42:53 AM PST by US_MilitaryRules
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To: NautiNurse

Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana and Texas are wide open for shipping from Asia if the traffic is willing to go through the Panama Canal. They don’t all have to stop at Long Beach.


48 posted on 11/21/2022 6:46:19 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (FBI out of Florida!)
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To: ConservativeInPA
You better start thinking about who and what remains in California when you have your utopia in 2035.

By then, they'll probably have the usual: people getting shot for protesting for food (Novocherkassk, USSR), getting persecuted for standing for freedom (Andrei Sakharov), being starved because they own a bit more land (Ukraine, Holodomor), persecuted and tortured by security forces for no good reason (Alexander Dolgun), etc.

49 posted on 11/21/2022 6:50:53 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (FBI out of Florida!)
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To: algore

It’d have to be a third rail, and that’s usually only on access protected rights of way - or overhead lines. On just two rails the wheels/axle would short it out.


50 posted on 11/21/2022 6:52:42 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

But it would be so much more fun doing it my way


51 posted on 11/21/2022 6:58:43 AM PST by algore
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To: algore

Yes....very illuminating...


52 posted on 11/21/2022 7:01:55 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: NautiNurse

Yes there going to need more fire departments too.


53 posted on 11/21/2022 7:04:30 AM PST by Vaduz (LAWYERS )
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I do not believe that some of the larger container ships can FIT through the width of the Panama Canal.

The other point is that it is impractical to ship a container with a final destination of Los Angeles to Houston. First, it costs more money to move the container from Asia to Houston than it does from Asia to LA/Long Beach/Oakland/Tacoma.

Then you have to load it on a truck and send it the 1500 miles @ $3.00/mile back west to LA.

It MAY be cheaper at some point to ship to Denver, Phoenix and some other points in between at some point.


54 posted on 11/21/2022 7:06:28 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: NautiNurse
I didn't electric motors could haul that much tonnage for very far before needing to recharge. I can't see them going very far on I-80 over the Rockies or the Grapevine in California.

-PJ

55 posted on 11/21/2022 7:08:52 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Gaffer

Do electric street cars and trains run on AC or DC power?


56 posted on 11/21/2022 7:23:34 AM PST by Scrambler Bob (My /s is more true than your /science (or you might mean /seance))
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To: NautiNurse

Why wait that long. Ban them today. Shut down the ports. Ships can dock north or south of CA and diesel trucks can move items to everywhere but CA. There’s an idea. Dock in Mexico and their people can stay in Mexico. Naw, that’d mean they’d have jobs rather than to collecting freebies in the US.


57 posted on 11/21/2022 7:24:22 AM PST by bgill
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To: Scrambler Bob

It varies, IIRC. But probably more AC on longer lined stuff.


58 posted on 11/21/2022 7:32:24 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Hootowl99

Desalination plants can be constructed that are powered by nuclear power plants, all the fresh water you need with cheap electric power as a byproduct. Using proven technology. This would be a logical, cheap, green solution to several of California’s problems. They will never go for it.


59 posted on 11/21/2022 7:48:36 AM PST by Paperpusher (Gal 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.)
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To: NautiNurse

Ports need to be privatized. All of them. There is no reason why they ought to be national property and we see the abuse of government against the people using nationalized systems.


60 posted on 11/21/2022 8:52:44 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica (A man's rights rest in 3 boxes. The ballot box, jury box and the cartridge box.- Frederick Douglass)
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