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Europe accuses US of profiting from war
Politico ^ | NOVEMBER 24, 2022 | BARBARA MOENS, JAKOB HANKE VELA AND JACOPO BARIGAZZI

Posted on 11/25/2022 11:20:41 AM PST by Mount Athos

Nine months after invading Ukraine, Vladimir Putin is beginning to fracture the West.

Top European officials are furious with Joe Biden’s administration and now accuse the Americans of making a fortune from the war, while EU countries suffer.

“The fact is, if you look at it soberly, the country that is most profiting from this war is the U.S. because they are selling more gas and at higher prices, and because they are selling more weapons,” one senior official told POLITICO.

The explosive comments — backed in public and private by officials, diplomats and ministers elsewhere — follow mounting anger in Europe over American subsidies that threaten to wreck European industry. The Kremlin is likely to welcome the poisoning of the atmosphere among Western allies.

“We are really at a historic juncture,” the senior EU official said, arguing that the double hit of trade disruption from U.S. subsidies and high energy prices risks turning public opinion against both the war effort and the transatlantic alliance. “America needs to realize that public opinion is shifting in many EU countries.”

The EU’s chief diplomat Josep Borrell called on Washington to respond to European concerns. “Americans — our friends — take decisions which have an economic impact on us,” he said in an interview with POLITICO.

The biggest point of tension in recent weeks has been Biden’s green subsidies and taxes that Brussels says unfairly tilt trade away from the EU and threaten to destroy European industries. Despite formal objections from Europe, Washington has so far shown no sign of backing down.

At the same time, the disruption caused by Putin’s invasion of Ukraine is tipping European economies into recession, with inflation rocketing and a devastating squeeze on energy supplies threatening blackouts and rationing this winter.

As they attempt to reduce their reliance on Russian energy, EU countries are turning to gas from the U.S. instead — but the price Europeans pay is almost four times as high as the same fuel costs in America. Then there’s the likely surge in orders for American-made military kit as European armies run short after sending weapons to Ukraine.

It's all got too much for top officials in Brussels and other EU capitals. French President Emmanuel Macron said high U.S. gas prices were not “friendly” and Germany’s economy minister has called on Washington to show more “solidarity” and help reduce energy costs.

Ministers and diplomats based elsewhere in the bloc voiced frustration at the way Biden’s government simply ignores the impact of its domestic economic policies on European allies.

When EU leaders tackled Biden over high U.S. gas prices at the G20 meeting in Bali last week, the American president simply seemed unaware of the issue, according to the senior official quoted above. Other EU officials and diplomats agreed that American ignorance about the consequences for Europe was a major problem.

"The Europeans are discernibly frustrated about the lack of prior information and consultation," said David Kleimann of the Bruegel think tank.

Officials on both sides of the Atlantic recognize the risks that the increasingly toxic atmosphere will have for the Western alliance. The bickering is exactly what Putin would wish for, EU and U.S. diplomats agreed.

The growing dispute over Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) — a huge tax, climate and health care package — has put fears over a transatlantic trade war high on the political agenda again. EU trade ministers are due to discuss their response on Friday as officials in Brussels draw up plans for an emergency war chest of subsidies to save European industries from collapse.

"The Inflation Reduction Act is very worrying," said Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher. "The potential impact on the European economy is very big."

"The U.S. is following a domestic agenda, which is regrettably protectionist and discriminates against U.S. allies," said Tonino Picula, the European Parliament's lead person on the transatlantic relationship.

An American official stressed the price setting for European buyers of gas reflects private market decisions and is not the result of any U.S. government policy or action. "U.S. companies have been transparent and reliable suppliers of natural gas to Europe," the official said. Exporting capacity has also been limited by an accident in June that forced a key facility to shut down.

In most cases, the official added, the difference between the export and import prices doesn't go to U.S. LNG exporters, but to companies reselling the gas within the EU. The largest European holder of long-term U.S. gas contracts is France's TotalEnergies for example.

It’s not a new argument from the American side but it doesn’t seem to be convincing the Europeans. "The United States sells us its gas with a multiplier effect of four when it crosses the Atlantic," European Commissioner for the Internal Market Thierry Breton said on French TV on Wednesday. "Of course the Americans are our allies ... but when something goes wrong it is necessary also between allies to say it."

Cheaper energy has quickly become a huge competitive advantage for American companies, too. Businesses are planning new investments in the U.S. or even relocating their existing businesses away from Europe to American factories. Just this week, chemical multinational Solvay announced it is choosing the U.S. over Europe for new investments, in the latest of a series of similar announcements from key EU industrial giants.

Allies or not? Despite the energy disagreements, it wasn't until Washington announced a $369 billion industrial subsidy scheme to support green industries under the Inflation Reduction Act that Brussels went into full-blown panic mode.

“The Inflation Reduction Act has changed everything," one EU diplomat said. "Is Washington still our ally or not?”

For Biden, the legislation is a historic climate achievement. "This is not a zero-sum game," the U.S. official said. "The IRA will grow the pie for clean energy investments, not split it."

But the EU sees that differently. An official from France’s foreign affairs ministry said the diagnosis is clear: These are "discriminatory subsidies that will distort competition.” French Economy Minister Bruno Le Maire this week even accused the U.S. of going down China's path of economic isolationism, urging Brussels to replicate such an approach. “Europe must not be the last of the Mohicans,” he said.

The EU is preparing its responses, such as a big subsidy push to prevent European industry from being wiped out by American rivals. "We are experiencing a creeping crisis of trust on trade issues in this relationship," said German MEP Reinhard Bütikofer.

"At some point, you have to assert yourself," said French MEP Marie-Pierre Vedrenne. "We are in a world of power struggles. When you arm-wrestle, if you are not muscular, if you are not prepared both physically and mentally, you lose.”

Behind the scenes, there is also growing irritation about the money flowing into the American defense sector.

The U.S. has by far been the largest provider of military aid to Ukraine, supplying more than $15.2 billion in weapons and equipment since the start of the war. The EU has so far provided about €8 billion of military equipment to Ukraine, according to Borrell.

According to one senior official from a European capital, restocking of some sophisticated weapons may take “years” because of problems in the supply chain and the production of chips. This has fueled fears that the U.S. defense industry can profit even more from the war.

The Pentagon is already developing a roadmap to speed up arms sales, as the pressure from allies to respond to greater demands for weapons and equipment grows.

Another EU diplomat argued that “the money they are making on weapons” could help Americans understand that making “all this cash on gas” might be “a bit too much.”

The diplomat argued that a discount on gas prices could help us to "keep united our public opinions” and to negotiate with third countries on gas supplies. “It’s not good, in terms of optics, to give the impression that your best ally is actually making huge profits out of your troubles,” the diplomat said.


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To: Mount Athos

Under a permanent ‘uniparty’ state fascism (as is quickly approaching, even in the US, as demonstrated by the ‘fixed elections’ of ‘20 and’22), there is NO COUNTRY that is good for business (except for the ‘elites’, who are tied hand in glove with the pols)! Small business and consumers are the target of these elite, WEF types.

The G20 unanimously approved CCP-Coronavirus Vaccine Passports. This is ALL ABOUT CONTROL! All (or most) of these countries have also announced their desire to develop ‘digital currencies’. This is all part of a ‘social credit system’. China has such a system. If you protest their gubmint, suddenly you cannot transact ANYTHING. You are denied access to stores, you are unable to feed yourself and unable to work. They ‘allow you’ to just die! THAT is where the ‘elites’ are leading us.

Personally, I believe that we would be much better off if NATO broke up! I believe that we are too far down the road to ‘One World Government’ (OWG) for freedom loving people to stop it. ONLY the breakup of NATO, with the elites fighting each other (as opposed to warring with each other), can this OWG be averted.

These ‘elites’, like Bill-zebub Gates and ‘der Führer und Reichskanzler’ K(louse) ‘’Blofeld’ Schwab, want MASSIVE population reduction and a ‘great reset’ where the wealthy elites can accumulate more and more, and the remainder eat bugs.

It seems that SO MANY are deceived by the ‘virtue’ of this war, a deception from the pit of hell! Unfortunately, I see it ending in destruction all around, with nukes flying all over Europe, Asia and N. America. Only God can stop this, and He will, in His good time!

MARANATHA!


21 posted on 11/25/2022 12:35:31 PM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian ( Ceterum autem censeo Justinius True-dope-us esse delendam)
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To: Mount Athos

Pot meet kettle.

Who do they think taught this to the USA?


22 posted on 11/25/2022 12:37:28 PM PST by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Mount Athos

Pot meet kettle.

Who do they think taught this to the USA?


23 posted on 11/25/2022 12:37:35 PM PST by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Mount Athos

The Europeans have no one to blame but themselves for cutting themselves off from cheap Russian oil and gas and for enacting green energy policies.


24 posted on 11/25/2022 12:38:53 PM PST by Kazan
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To: Mount Athos

And all these European “leaders” supported Biden over Trump.
You got the exact type of President that you wanted. So it didn’t work out for you. Too bad, so sad.


25 posted on 11/25/2022 12:56:59 PM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: WMarshal

Business is booming indeed.


26 posted on 11/25/2022 1:08:28 PM PST by MarMema (No bugs for consumption)
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To: Mount Athos

Since we’ve endured decades of sunk cost fallacy subsidizing the defense of a multitude of deadbeat European countries, they shouldn’t be complaining now.


27 posted on 11/25/2022 1:10:40 PM PST by txeagle
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To: Mount Athos

Bookmark


28 posted on 11/25/2022 1:22:05 PM PST by kelly4c
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To: Mount Athos

Yeah, but no more mean tweets so it’s all good.


29 posted on 11/25/2022 1:27:55 PM PST by technically right
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To: A Navy Vet
Euroweenies can kiss my American loving ass.

I voted for Trump, but on this, the Europeans are correct.

And they're not "Euroweenies." They're actually standing up to the Neocon war machine and putting their own national interests first.

30 posted on 11/25/2022 1:34:18 PM PST by Angelino97
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To: Mount Athos

That’s the ticket. We’re down $96 billion and they say we’re profiting, Yeah. I’m dating Morgan Fairchild.


31 posted on 11/25/2022 1:47:52 PM PST by VTenigma (Conspiracy theory is the new "spoiler alert")
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To: Mount Athos

Did pigs fly? /s


32 posted on 11/25/2022 1:52:42 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: Mount Athos

but the price Europeans pay is almost four times as high as the same fuel costs in America

How much does it cost to ship the gas over? I guess the shipping company so supposed to eat that.

Idiots have allowed their countries to be invaded by the worst of the 3rd world and their continued support of one of the most corrupt countries and governments in the planet.

Suck it.


33 posted on 11/25/2022 2:22:27 PM PST by qaz123 (F)
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To: SaveFerris

The US loves war money.


34 posted on 11/25/2022 2:40:36 PM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: marron

XLNT POINT !


35 posted on 11/25/2022 3:05:31 PM PST by A strike ("The worse, the better." - V.I.Lenin, (and Klaus Schwab and Soros))
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Yep


36 posted on 11/25/2022 3:11:59 PM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: Mount Athos

Wait a second, but we are paying for it.


37 posted on 11/25/2022 3:48:10 PM PST by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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To: webheart
The weapons are being given away...

Raytheon, Boeing and General Dynamics don't "give away" their products. Ever.

There is only one price, Premium, and there is only one ultimate payer, you.

38 posted on 11/25/2022 4:25:13 PM PST by JustaTech (A mind is a terrible thing)
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To: Mount Athos

Let’s see now, let’s look at American defense firms and German/French/Italian defense firms and see who is supplying the Ukraine..


39 posted on 11/25/2022 5:54:22 PM PST by Deplorable American1776 (Defund the FBI, the American Stasi..)
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To: Mount Athos

The same Europe that benefited from the Marshall Plan?


40 posted on 11/26/2022 4:41:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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