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House GOP Group Hints They Will Deal With Democrats to Elect a House Speaker if Kevin McCarthy Doesn't Win
Red State. ^ | November 30, 2022 | streiff

Posted on 12/01/2022 6:43:23 AM PST by george76

The House has a narrow (currently a 220-213 Republican majority that should be finalized at 222-213), and this slim majority has given the Republicans a unique opportunity to beclown themselves and sow doubt as to their ability to organize something as simple as a two-car funeral.

The problem facing the new House majority is the same one that confronted Nancy Pelosi in the outgoing Congress. It takes 218 votes to pass a bill. If five Republicans defect, the bill goes nowhere unless the GOP starts corralling Democrat votes. Passing a bill with opposing party votes because you can’t get your own members to fall in line is not a good look.

To do what needs to be done, the GOP needs a Speaker who is respected or at least feared, on both sides of the aisle. So naturally, Kevin McCarthy was the guy they chose. McCarthy was challenged for the position by Arizona Representative Andy Biggs, and McCarthy won handily by a vote of 188-31.

Oddly enough, in this current environment, a guy like McCarthy might not be the worst choice because he can probably get 218 GOP votes on most things, and he has enough rapport with the half-dozen sane Democrats remaining in the House that he might be able to pull off the illusion of bipartisanship on the odd occasion.

But to get the Speaker’s gavel, McCarthy not only needed a majority of his caucus, but he also needs a majority in the House. That’s where his problem comes in.

The House Freedom Caucus is attempting to trade its support for a guarantee by McCarthy that he will adopt a package of rule changes that will take power from a handful of members close to McCarthy and allow more representatives to participate. For instance, they want the committees to elect their own chairmen rather than having the Speaker appoint them.

Enact a “majority of the majority” rule that legislation passed in a Republican House should be supported by a majority of House Republicans to prevent leadership from cutting deals with Democrats if a bill is not supported by conservatives..

Restore independence of committees by electing committee chairs based on qualifications and effectiveness..

Diversify the Steering Committee so that all House Republicans can have input on committee assignments..

Open the legislative process to allow for amendments. Members have not been allowed to vote on an amendment on the House floor since May 2016, and the Republican 115th Congress, under then-Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI), broke the record for the most bills being considered without amendments..

Ensure fiscal responsibility by blocking consideration of any other bill until the House can pass an appropriations bill by August 1. If the House has not acted by September 10, then the Speaker should be prevented from recessing or adjourning until it has passed a spending bill..

From what I’ve read, the second, third, and sixth items have been pronounced dead-on-arrival by McCarthy.

At least five House Republicans — Andy Biggs (AZ), Matt Gaetz (FL), Bob Good (VA), Ralph Norman (SC), Matt Rosendale (MT), and Chip Roy (TX) — have said they will not vote for McCarthy (see Mike Miller’s ‘Doomsday Scenario’: GOP Circular Firing Squad Continues as House Speaker Race Looms for details on that).

Just when you think that things are pretty bad, along comes the Republican Main Street Partnership with a mighty shout of Leeroy Jenkins!

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Don Bacon (NE) says that his group will work with Democrats to get an “agreeable Republican” if the Freedom Caucus doesn’t vote for McCarthy. The result, he says, will be a lot less of a conservative warrior than McCarthy.

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If six members of the House GOP vote for Hakeem Jeffries, we could have a House with a GOP majority but with a Democrat Speaker controlling legislation and appointments. Best casing it, we could end up with a raging RINO elected on a wave of Democrat votes.

For all the ink being spilled about the “danger” that McCarthy is in, no one, at least on our side, is paying attention to the damage this nonsense is doing to the GOP brand. With a House barely under GOP control and a Senate run by the Democrats, the next two years will not be a Golden Age of conservative legislation. I’m not sure that the Freedom Caucus going to the mat on this based on the theory that McCarthy would cave because he needed the votes was the best move. In fact, I really have to question how people who have worked around McCarthy this long could have been caught flat-footed by his refusal to budge. A Speaker elected with a few Democrat votes would be a crushing defeat to the GOP. If a Democrat is elected Speaker, they lose the right to be a political party.

Unless the game is to embarrass McCarthy by requiring multiple ballots for Speaker, I’m really not sure what the end game is or why we voted for these guys.


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1 posted on 12/01/2022 6:43:23 AM PST by george76
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To: george76

That whole SWAMP has to be drained one way or another. I’m trending toward the “another”.


2 posted on 12/01/2022 6:46:40 AM PST by Don Corleone (leave the gun, take the canolis)
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To: george76

We are not to be allowed to make ANY changes to the government whatsoever.

We got one past the goalie in 2016, and the government has put ALL shoulders to the wheel that that the status quo is NEVER to be disturbed again.


3 posted on 12/01/2022 6:48:21 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: george76

Then the GOP should get a better Speaker. One that can unite the party.


4 posted on 12/01/2022 6:49:16 AM PST by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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To: george76
We didn't elect you @$$wipes to "deal with Democrats!!!!

You were elected to DEFEAT DEMOCRATS!!!!

5 posted on 12/01/2022 6:50:12 AM PST by G Larry ( "woke" means 'stupid enough to fall for the promotion of every human weakness into a virtue')
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To: george76

GOP majority is already caving in to the Democrat minority. Even when the Republicans win, they lose. The MAGA Republicans are criticized as extremists for refusing to give in. We need to fight like Democrats.


6 posted on 12/01/2022 6:50:38 AM PST by Spok (“You will own nothing and be happy.” )
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To: george76

Conservatives have to fight against both the Democrats and the GOP. If that is not obvious to everyone by now then you aren’t paying attention. We know now why Trump was rocked by “crisis” after “crisis” and non-stop investigations. The GOP coordinated with the left to destroy his every policy. I’m surprised he succeeded at the level that he did. The GOP was just as worried as the left at the possibility that Trump would stop their gravy train and expose to the voters their culpability in destroying our nation.


7 posted on 12/01/2022 6:52:09 AM PST by CFW
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Then the GOP should get a better Speaker. One that can unite the party.

McCarthy was nominated to be the GOP candidate for Speaker by something like a 180-30 margin.

Only in Freeper Fantasyland does the 30-vote minority decide that someone other than the guy with 180+ votes is best suited to "unite the party."

I will say this: The best thing about this fiasco is that it plays right into Donald Trump's hands as a presidential candidate.

8 posted on 12/01/2022 6:53:59 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("It's midnight in Manhattan. This is no time to get cute; it's a mad dog's promenade.")
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To: george76
"...the next two years will not be a Golden Age of conservative legislation."
I can't believe anyone with a functioning brain thinks it will be. But it is beyond time Republicans start making Democrats give a little during negotiations. The days of Republicans negotiating how much they are willing to cave are gone. If they can't fight for what they campaigned on, they deserve to lose.
9 posted on 12/01/2022 6:56:19 AM PST by Yogafist (Voting rino is voting for the managed decline of America.)
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To: cotton1706
We are not to be allowed to make ANY changes to the government whatsoever.

If you want to have more input, you have to win more elections. Biggs, the preferred choice of the Freedom Caucus, got 33 votes out of 219. McCarthy got the rest. If this was flipped, and McCarthy only got 33 and Biggs got the rest, conservatives would be bursting a vein at the traitors refusing to support the guy who won the GOP caucus vote.

10 posted on 12/01/2022 6:56:41 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Don Corleone

Reaching across the aisle has worked so well. Might as well keep doing it.

Fool me once...pfft, nevermind.


11 posted on 12/01/2022 6:56:53 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: george76

They aren’t going to give it back to us. We’ll have to take it.


12 posted on 12/01/2022 6:59:25 AM PST by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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To: for-q-clinton
Then the GOP should get a better Speaker. One that can unite the party.

It is impossible to have someone whom everyone is going to unite behind as the preferred candidate. That's why it is necessary to hold votes in the first place - to resolve disagreements about which candidate is preferred. And generally, we agree to abide by that result.

13 posted on 12/01/2022 6:59:28 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: G Larry

Right on!
I don’t know what it is with these RINOS, but this crap is getting really old.
If a democrat is elected Speaker, than not only is the fix in place, but Biden will be laughing his butt off at Republican Stupidity.


14 posted on 12/01/2022 7:01:05 AM PST by telescope115 (Proud member of the ANTIFAuci movement. )
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

I agree and I like the rules the freedom caucus wants. So if McCarthy can’t agree to that...screw him.


15 posted on 12/01/2022 7:02:03 AM PST by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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To: george76

McCarthy could have railed against the Dems and their horrible decisions, but took it easy instead. Just pick Jim Jordan.


16 posted on 12/01/2022 7:02:23 AM PST by struggle
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To: george76

EXPOSE THE UNIPARTY!

I DARE THEM TO DO THIS!


17 posted on 12/01/2022 7:05:09 AM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: Yogafist

Even if it were, nothing would survive the Senate.


18 posted on 12/01/2022 7:05:17 AM PST by Ingtar
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To: george76

GOP Group??? is that anonymous? NY Times average Republican in the House?

We’ll be watching to see if any Republicans cooperate with Democrats to put a Rino in. And we will continue primarying RINOs.


19 posted on 12/01/2022 7:07:27 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Spok

RINOs suck and have no testicular fortitude.


20 posted on 12/01/2022 7:08:21 AM PST by DOC44 ( )
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