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To: bitt

One of the surviving housemates saw a man dressed in black and wearing a mask leaving the home around 4 a.m. that day, the document says.

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<> I thought the murders happened about 3:30 am?
<> I thought the room mates all slept through the attack?
<> I thought the room mates did not wake up and report the murders until about noon?

so how could one of the roomates witness someone wearing a mask leaving the home at 4 am?

help me out on this


14 posted on 01/05/2023 11:12:54 AM PST by thinden (buckle up ....)
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To: thinden

Have to wait for the trial there’s a gag order


18 posted on 01/05/2023 11:15:48 AM PST by NWFree (Somebody has to say it 🤪)
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To: thinden

Just guessing of course, but to answer those questions, my theory would be this:

The two surviving occupants of the house were on the ground floor, I believe. Perhaps entrance to that is from the side of the house you often see in photos and the entrance to the other floors from a different access point around the back.

The perp knew this and went in and out that way. He confronted one pair of victims, gagged them and proceeded to kill them. A certain amount of muffled noise would be heard both downstairs and in the room of the two other victims. It might have sounded within the limits of “fooling around” noise given that it was muffled. So nobody gets up to see what’s happening. The same sequence plays out with the second pair of victims. Downstairs, the two survivors are thinking, what’s going on up there? But they figure it is either okay or too dangerous to intervene. Somebody’s looking out the window and they spot the perp leaving. He might not have seen them watching him, or he may for whatever reason think he’s done enough and spares them.

Despite all this, the two survivors don’t check out anything further until the (late) morning at which time they discover evidence of the crime and call in friends and the police.

As to 4:00 a.m. and not 3:30 a.m., that might be within the boundaries of (a) faulty time estimates either way, or (b) a certain amount of time the perp then spent at the crime scene rather than making a fast exit, although you would think (not being a crazed killer ourselves) that having done all that you would figure the police could be on the way because who knows what those other occupants or neighbors might have heard? I do wonder if the perp knew there were two more students in that other part of the house. He might have been so fixated on his victims that he was never aware of the third part of the house and thought it was a basement.


34 posted on 01/05/2023 11:33:36 AM PST by Peter ODonnell (If Arizona held the Olympic Games, Usain Bolt would lose to Joe Biden)
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To: thinden

One of the roommates was awoken by noises. That both slept through it all was just a rumor, repeated throughout the coverage, as these things tend to be ...


45 posted on 01/05/2023 11:56:10 AM PST by gloryblaze
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To: thinden

“so how could one of the roomates witness someone wearing a mask leaving the home at 4 am?”

They slept through the attack, woke up when they heard the person leaving, saw someone in a mask and assumed it was one of the upstairs roommates, then went back to bed, only realizing later they had seen the murderer.


54 posted on 01/05/2023 12:18:23 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: thinden
help me out on this

I think a lot of assumptions were made and became accepted as fact that we now know are not true. Most of these will be resolved as more evidence becomes public. However, not all. Most cases have an unresolved question or two that is not critical to conviction and won't ever be resolved unless the perpetrator decides to provide the information. For example, LE probably doesn't have the knife and likely won't need it for a conviction. Its whereabouts won't be known unless Bryan Kohberger tells them where to find it.

Kudos to the MPD (and other LE agencies involved) for staying focused on the objective: catching the perpetrator and making sure he can be prosecuted. Satisfying the curiosity of the amateur sleuths around the country is not part of their job. Despite being heavily criticized by some, it is clear that LE was right on track in this investigation.

57 posted on 01/05/2023 12:20:43 PM PST by CommerceComet ("You know why there's a Second Amendment? In case, the government forgets the first." Rush Limbaugh )
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To: thinden
The timeline as presented in the affidavit is sort of odd, and will certainly be a main focus of the defense.

The presence of his DNA is a problem, but if his knife had been stolen, it might explain it. But all those cellphone pings before, during and apparently after the murders is really bad for the defense. He's not going to walk, in spite of the weird things that the surviving roommates did.

65 posted on 01/05/2023 12:32:02 PM PST by Repealthe17thAmendment
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To: thinden

so how could one of the roomates witness someone wearing a mask leaving the home at 4 am?


It gets worse.

https://nypost.com/2023/01/05/idaho-murder-victims-roommate-saw-killer-police-report/

Mortensen, who lived on the first floor, said she had fallen asleep but was awakened around 4 a.m. when “she heard who she thought was Goncalves say something to the effect of ‘there’s someone here.’”

She opened her door, but couldn’t see anything out of the ordinary. Mortensen then “opened her door a second time when she heard what she thought was crying coming from Kernodle’s room,” according to the police report.

In a spine-shivering detail, the report added Mortensen “then said she heard a male voice say something to the effect of ‘It’s ok, I’m going to help you.’”

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A police affidavit reads: “[Mortensen] saw a figure clad in black clothing and a mask that covered the person’s mouth and nose walking towards her.

“Mortensen described the figure as 5′ 10″ or taller, male, not very muscular, but athletically built with bushy eyebrows. The male walked past [her] as she stood in a ‘frozen shock phase.’

“The male walked towards the back sliding glass door. Mortensen locked herself in her room after seeing the male.”


103 posted on 01/05/2023 7:43:33 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: thinden

May have been to protect the witness as the killer was still on the loose.

Why police weren’t called until around noon?, though doesn’t make sense.


105 posted on 01/05/2023 10:33:34 PM PST by Freedom of Speech Wins (A)
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To: thinden

I find the girl survivor who came face to face with masked killer just look at her and walk by without killing her odd. She went back in her bedroom and locked the door and didn’t call anyone for 6 hours. Is she in on it? Remember the killer asked did you arrest anyone else when he was arrested.


119 posted on 01/06/2023 10:36:09 AM PST by Engedi
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