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A painfully introspective but necessary read. We should have learned of the perils of groupthink and tribalism after Vietnam, the shameful Afghanistan exit, the liquidation of the Iraqi Chaldean Christians and especially after the last two years of internecine cruelty brought by the Faucian Plague. Yet here we are draining the lifeblood out of a new nation and for what?
1 posted on 01/31/2023 8:33:11 PM PST by Antioch
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To: Antioch

The Russians live in a country with a very harsh climate.

They have endurance.


2 posted on 01/31/2023 8:39:23 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Antioch

[Yet here we are draining the lifeblood out of a new nation and for what? ]


I wouldn’t call Russia a new nation.


3 posted on 01/31/2023 8:40:05 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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While the war has seemingly ground to a stalemate

A rather bizarre and inaccurate assumption given how many Ukrainians are being fed into the Russian meat grinder daily.

9 posted on 01/31/2023 8:54:10 PM PST by Kazan
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The problem with this analysis is that the roles are reversed.

Vietnam was a great victory for the USSR. The US is playing the role of the USSR this time around. The Russians are the US. Maybe Russians need to learn from other people?

Or Afghanistan. The US won there too, by supporting the Afghans. The Soviets were also the US.

Other people make mistakes too.

The problem with US political controversies is that everyone is terminally parochial.


12 posted on 01/31/2023 9:02:48 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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The problem with this analysis is that the roles are reversed.

Vietnam was a great victory for the USSR. The US is playing the role of the USSR this time around. The Russians are the US. Maybe Russians need to learn from other people?

Or Afghanistan. The US won there too, by supporting the Afghans. The Soviets were also the US.

Other people make mistakes too.

The problem with US political controversies is that everyone is terminally parochial.


13 posted on 01/31/2023 9:03:00 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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” In the decades following his 1991 pronouncement, the United States has been at war in one form or another for all but two of the 32 years that have followed.”
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And running up $31 trillion of debt in the process, which is more of a threat to our national security than Russia is.


14 posted on 01/31/2023 9:11:09 PM PST by jimwatx
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>> Yet here we are draining the lifeblood out of a new nation and for what? <<

Yep. For what?

I have learned the hard way by experience from both individual personal as well as national experience, the Biblical admonition:

"Never take up someone else's offenses."
You will likely hurt not only yourself, but every else involved when it is none of your business.
17 posted on 02/01/2023 12:30:13 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux (Let There Be [God's] Light!) )
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From my profile page …

"How does any rational or caring human being watch us lose a 20-year war against cave-dwelling barbarians, and not just lose that war, but lose it in the most humiliating fashion imaginable, and less than a year later already have a war-boner for Ukraine?" -- John Nolte, 3/5/2022

18 posted on 02/01/2023 1:15:38 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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Russia’s soldiers are dying in Ukraine, not ours. Russia is in a quagmire.


20 posted on 02/01/2023 3:27:17 AM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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We should have learned of the perils.....

You sure got that right!

You just named off a long-running episode of collasal and delusional failures -- one after another!

A very smart person once said, “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”

We've got some real lunatics running our government!

On queue, you can now turn over in your collective grave:
-Reagan
-Washington
-Jefferson

22 posted on 02/01/2023 6:27:18 AM PST by icclearly
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