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‘Just to survive’: Wagner fighters recount the horrors of battle in eastern Ukraine
CNN.com ^ | February 12, 2023 | Tim Lister and Frederik Pleitgen

Posted on 02/12/2023 4:48:11 AM PST by Timber Rattler

Two former fighters of the Russian private military company Wagner have told CNN of their horrific experiences on the battlefield in eastern Ukraine, and how anyone who faltered was immediately shot by their own commanders.

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The two fighters told of hideous losses in “first wave” assaults reminiscent of World War I charges.

“There were 90 of us. Sixty died in that first assault, killed by mortar fire. A handful remained wounded,” said one, recalling his first assault near the village of Bilohorivka. “If one group is unsuccessful, another is sent right away. If the second one is unsuccessful, they send another group.”

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There was no evacuation of the wounded, he added. “If you’re wounded, you roll away on your own at first, any way you can, somewhere neutral where there’s no fire, and if there’s no one around, you administer first aid to yourself,” he said.

Casualties piled up by the dozen, the men said. “When the casualties arrive, you get orders to load them, and you don’t really think who’s dead and who’s wounded,” one of the fighters said.

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“We couldn’t retreat without orders because if we don’t comply with the order, we will be killed,” said one of the prisoners.

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“We thought we’d be fighting Poles and various mercenaries. Germans. We didn’t think anyone was left in the Ukrainian army there. We thought they’d left the country,” said one.

“So it became clear they were just spinning lies to get us to enter into battle with the Ukrainians. No one really thought that the AFU [Armed Forces of Ukraine] would actually fight for their own country, for their loved ones. We only learned this after going in there.”

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: cnn; cnnlol; europe; frederikpleitgen; nato; timlister; ukraine; wagner
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Confirms Ukrainian accounts about fighting hordes of Russian "zombies."
1 posted on 02/12/2023 4:48:11 AM PST by Timber Rattler
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To: Timber Rattler

Nothing like a fresh cup o’ propaganda in the morning. Pretty weak stuff.


2 posted on 02/12/2023 4:59:37 AM PST by wildcard_redneck (Germans are bat-crap crazy for cold showers, high energy bills, and boiled fturnips.)
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To: Timber Rattler

“There was no evacuation of the wounded, he added. “If you’re wounded, you roll away on your own at first, any way you can, somewhere neutral where there’s no fire, and if there’s no one around, you administer first aid to yourself,” he said.”

This makes me really wonder: death counts and casualty counts are based on a presumption that about 20% of casualties are killed. To me, this suggests that Western estimates of casualty counts may be too high and death counts way too low.


3 posted on 02/12/2023 5:03:32 AM PST by dangus
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To: wildcard_redneck

CNN 👌🏾


4 posted on 02/12/2023 5:12:08 AM PST by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships.)
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To: wildcard_redneck

так сказал быдняк


5 posted on 02/12/2023 5:17:09 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David.)
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To: Eleutheria5
The Ukrainians were in on the coup against President Trump. The second impeachment was driven by President Trump's call to Zelensky and Ukrainian-born "whistle-blower" Col. Vindman was the impetus. Col. Vindman was offered the high position of Defense Minister of Ukraine twice by the Ukraine - why?. The coup against President Trump led us into the Ukraine War and the death of hundreds of thousands of people and the impoverishment of America. We are led by traitors and snakes.

I hope the Ukraine gets taken apart territorially and absorbed by its neighboring countries.

6 posted on 02/12/2023 5:19:11 AM PST by wildcard_redneck (Germans are bat-crap crazy for cold showers, high energy bills, and boiled fturnips.)
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To: wildcard_redneck
Meanwhile, this was snipped from the excerpt: For security reasons, the Ukrainians kept a presence in the room where the interview took place.
7 posted on 02/12/2023 5:21:21 AM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: wildcard_redneck

That was the first impeachment. The second was about Jan 6th.


8 posted on 02/12/2023 5:21:46 AM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: wildcard_redneck

so then when is the Russian victory parade?

LOL


9 posted on 02/12/2023 5:25:14 AM PST by canuck_conservative (12th month, no end in sight)
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To: canuck_conservative
I want the Ukraine to lose because the Ukrainians were in on the coup against President Trump. The second impeachment was driven by President Trump's call to Zelensky and Ukrainian-born "whistle-blower" Col. Vindman was the impetus. Col. Vindman was offered the high position of Defense Minister of Ukraine twice by the Ukraine - why?. The coup against President Trump led us into the Ukraine War and the death of hundreds of thousands of people and the impoverishment of America. We are led by traitors and communists.
10 posted on 02/12/2023 5:32:51 AM PST by wildcard_redneck (Germans are bat-crap crazy for cold showers, high energy bills, and boiled fturnips.)
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To: wildcard_redneck

“We are led by traitors and snakes.”

That much I agree with you on. The rest is a completely garbled chronology, chock full of inaccuracies.


11 posted on 02/12/2023 5:39:22 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David.)
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To: wildcard_redneck

No comment. I am prevented from expressing my opinions.


12 posted on 02/12/2023 5:42:08 AM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (I am a lesbian trapped in a man's body... gives me more rights. )
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To: Eleutheria5
Please explain how the “chronology” was wrong.

I was only incorrect on one point. Col. Vindman was offered the high position of Defense Minister of the Ukraine THREE times, not two.

Vindman, 44, explained during his impeachment testimony that he had been offered the position three times but declined the position because of his loyalty to the United States. The lieutenant colonel was born in Ukraine, but his family immigrated to the U.S. when he was a toddler.

Vindman claimed he did not know why he was offered the high ranking position of defense minister.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/vindman-reveals-that-he-had-been-offered-a-position-as-defense-minister-of-ukraine

Col. Vindman was the “whistle-blower” and George Washington Zelensky was on the call that Col. Vindman ran to the Democrats with and testified about.

You are either misinformed or are lying.

13 posted on 02/12/2023 5:48:17 AM PST by wildcard_redneck (Germans are bat-crap crazy for cold showers, high energy bills, and boiled fturnips.)
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To: wildcard_redneck

Nothing like a fresh cup o’ propaganda in the morning. Pretty weak stuff.
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Meanwhile, Vlad lit up the Ukies railroad electrification and AA defense sites all across Ukraine with a massive missile strike a day ago….not a PEEP from the western corrupted media.

It is getting clearer every day:

Ukraine 1991-2023 .

Hint: it will officially be “ the end” when Vlad destroys the 12 bridges across the Dniepner, slicing Ukraine in half….for some reason Vlad is still showing much restraint.


14 posted on 02/12/2023 5:49:28 AM PST by delta7
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To: Eleutheria5
"так сказал быдняк (So said the poor man)"

I can use Google Translate too.

Наклонись и трахни свое лицо.

15 posted on 02/12/2023 5:53:52 AM PST by wildcard_redneck (Germans are bat-crap crazy for cold showers, high energy bills, and boiled fturnips.)
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To: canuck_conservative
so then when is the Russian victory parade?

Ruskie victory already here, The Krouts are freezing, paying big $$ for U.S. Gas, their corporations are hemorrhaging $$$ due to high energy costs.

What is not to celebrate?

The Italians and the PIGs are happy as well.

The Hungies are telling the E.U. to stuff it - all is well

16 posted on 02/12/2023 6:02:43 AM PST by DanZ ( )
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To: wildcard_redneck

That wasn’t google translate, it was taught to me by my Bucharan study partner in yeshiva.


17 posted on 02/12/2023 6:06:36 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David.)
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“I hope the Ukraine gets taken apart territorially and absorbed by its neighboring countries”

RUSSIA INVADED Ukraine!

Nuff said.


18 posted on 02/12/2023 6:07:04 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: wildcard_redneck

And your reply is as disgustingly vulgar as your understanding of recent history is deficient.


19 posted on 02/12/2023 6:08:37 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David.)
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To: DanZ
The Krouts are freezing

Europe is enjoying the warmest winter in years (so much for Putin's cutoff threats)

gas prices are only about 10% above where they were 1 year ago

and Russian troops are getting killed by the thousand every day

yes ... what's not to like? LOL


20 posted on 02/12/2023 6:09:00 AM PST by canuck_conservative (12th month, no end in sight)
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