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Southern Baptists boot Saddleback Church for having a female pastor
AP via NBC News ^ | Feb 21, 2023 | The Associate Press

Posted on 02/21/2023 9:33:38 PM PST by fwdude

The Southern Baptist Convention on Tuesday ousted its second-largest congregation — Saddleback Church, the renowned California megachurch founded by pastor and best-selling author Rick Warren — for having a woman pastor.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: brokebacksaddle; california; notnews; religionforum; rickwarren; saddleback; saddlebackchurch; sbc; southernbaptist
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The SBC still shows a little life. Maybe the worm has turned.
1 posted on 02/21/2023 9:33:38 PM PST by fwdude
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To: fwdude; Honorary Serb

Glory to God for all things!

Wonderful to see that orthopraxy still exists outside of Orthodoxy!


2 posted on 02/21/2023 9:36:01 PM PST by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: fwdude

Good. Rightly done.


3 posted on 02/21/2023 9:39:43 PM PST by Persevero (You cannot comply your way out of tyranny. )
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To: Persevero

Ditto


4 posted on 02/21/2023 9:41:27 PM PST by A strike ("The worse, the better."- Lenin (& Schwab & Soros)
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To: fwdude

Stuck in 1964.


5 posted on 02/21/2023 9:43:29 PM PST by madison10
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To: madison10

Following the teachings of St. Paul who wrote half the New Tesetament.

Advantage: Paul


6 posted on 02/21/2023 9:48:51 PM PST by grey_whiskers ( The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: fwdude

How many sexes/genders does the SBC recognize?


7 posted on 02/21/2023 9:58:07 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: fwdude

1 Timothy 2:12: I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent.

1 Corinthians 14:34-35: Women should be silent in the churches.


8 posted on 02/21/2023 9:58:16 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: madison10

What happened in 64?


9 posted on 02/21/2023 10:11:54 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: DesertRhino

The apostle Paul wrote several letters to various Christian communities, and his teachings on female leaders in the church are a topic of debate among scholars and theologians. There are several passages in his letters that touch on this subject, and different interpretations of these passages have led to varying views on the role of women in church leadership.

One of the most cited passages on this topic is found in 1 Timothy 2:11-12, where Paul writes, “Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.” Some interpret this passage as a prohibition against women holding leadership positions in the church, while others argue that it is a specific instruction to a particular community and should not be applied universally.

However, there are other passages in Paul’s letters that suggest a more egalitarian view of women’s roles in the church. For example, in Romans 16, Paul greets several women by name, including Phoebe, who is described as a “deacon” (diakonos) and a “benefactor” (prostatis) of the church. Some scholars argue that this indicates that women were involved in leadership roles in early Christian communities.

Similarly, in 1 Corinthians 11, Paul discusses the practice of women prophesying in church and wearing head coverings while doing so. This suggests that women had an active role in worship and ministry in the early church.

Overall, Paul’s teachings on female leaders in the church are complex and open to interpretation. While there are passages that appear to limit women’s roles in church leadership, there are also passages that suggest a more inclusive view. Ultimately, the interpretation of these passages is a matter of debate among Christians and may vary depending on cultural and theological contexts.


10 posted on 02/21/2023 10:19:05 PM PST by jroehl (And how we burned in the camps later - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn - The Gulag Archipelago)
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To: Bulwyf
What happened in 64?

The sexual revolution. Also the year after prayer was removed from public school.

11 posted on 02/21/2023 10:20:50 PM PST by Sparticus (Primary the Tuesday group!)
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To: lightman
Rick Warren would be reason enough to oust saddleback, even without the lady preacher.

12 posted on 02/21/2023 10:21:47 PM PST by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: Sparticus

Oh ya. Lords prayer was taken out of my school in bc in 87. Sexual revolution ruined women.


13 posted on 02/21/2023 10:22:01 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

Amen. I said that in 09 when a church here wanted to use his book for Bible study. I asked them if they were nuts.


14 posted on 02/21/2023 10:25:06 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: madison10
Stuck in 1964.

Not the worst year to be stuck in.

15 posted on 02/21/2023 10:28:12 PM PST by Angelino97
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To: Bulwyf; Governor Dinwiddie
RW was absolutely right about one thing and one thing ONLY:

It is not about you.

16 posted on 02/21/2023 10:28:45 PM PST by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: Angelino97

I don’t understand why a Church necessarily has to “move with the times”. Kind of defeats the purpose.


17 posted on 02/21/2023 10:29:16 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: madison10

As a woman, I have never been comfortable with female preachers.

More often than not, they come down on the touchy-feely side of things and are not warriors for God.

We need more warriors in the pulpit.


18 posted on 02/21/2023 11:05:09 PM PST by TheWriterTX (Trust not in earthly princes....!)
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To: jroehl

“inclusive” ‘eh??

NO NO NO NO NO SMH

You use that term much in day-to-day life?


19 posted on 02/21/2023 11:19:46 PM PST by griffin (When you have to shoot, SHOOT; don't talk. -Tuco)
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To: jroehl

The debate only exists due to a lazy exegesis of the texts, lacking a consistent hermeneutic. This was never an issue with the early church and with the Reformers.

It’s an issue today because most will not study, and some “scholars” choose to twist the Scriptures.

There is only one sense of a text. One side is wrong.


20 posted on 02/21/2023 11:43:44 PM PST by Salvavida (“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.”)
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