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To: SoConPubbie

This argument works if one believes the story that Russia is so afraid of NATO that it would risk invading a good size country (going right for it’s capitol, and other large areas not even ethnically Russian, I might add) to push NATO back, with the predictable consequence of European NATO countries going on a defense spending spree and Finland and Sweden joining NATO (a VERY significant enhancement.)

That even though NATO as of 1/1/2022 was not structured or armed or anything else to present any serious offensive threat to Russia. Also, several major NATO members consistently started firm opposition to Ukraine joining NATO, nor were their populations remotely in favor of such — and it only takes one to block an admittance. Plus there are other NATO rules about not admitting nations in unstable situations.

The truth is that Russia’s invasion is about FAR more than fear of NATO. Some might say NATO is the tip of the iceberg. I view it as more like a wave on top of a current of deeper cultural, economic, sociological, and strategic forces and changes. Putin sometimes touches on the “current” a bit, but is generally dishonest about it.

Be that as it may, maybe nationalism or introspection on the part of the US could affect the wave a bit, but short of a breakup of NATO / Europe (incredibly dangerous!), the underlying current and Russia’s fear of it would not be altered.


9 posted on 03/03/2023 10:36:42 AM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: Paul R.

Whups, left out an important comma:

This argument works if one believes the story that Russia is so afraid of NATO that it would risk invading a good size country (going right for it’s capitol, and other large areas not even ethnically Russian, I might add) to push NATO back, with the predictable consequence of European NATO countries going on a defense spending spree and Finland and Sweden joining NATO (a VERY significant enhancement.)

That, even though NATO as of 1/1/2022 was not structured or armed or anything else to present any serious offensive threat to Russia. Also, several major NATO members consistently started firm opposition to Ukraine joining NATO, nor were their populations remotely in favor of such — and it only takes one to block an admittance. Plus there are other NATO rules about not admitting nations in unstable situations.

The truth is that Russia’s invasion is about FAR more than fear of NATO. Some might say NATO is the tip of the iceberg. I view it as more like a wave on top of a current of deeper cultural, economic, sociological, and strategic forces and changes. Putin sometimes touches on the “current” a bit, but is generally dishonest about it.

Be that as it may, maybe nationalism or introspection on the part of the US could affect the wave a bit, but short of a breakup of NATO / Europe (incredibly dangerous!), the underlying current and Russia’s fear of it would not be altered.


10 posted on 03/03/2023 10:40:20 AM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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