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The Armed Forces Of Ukraine Began To Use Outdated Anti-Aircraft Guns On The Battlefield
The Eastern Herald ^ | 4/2/23 | Staff

Posted on 04/02/2023 10:06:37 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ...

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To: Its All Over Except ...

This means they’re winning. Just ask that female Navy officer.


21 posted on 04/02/2023 11:09:12 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is ████ █ ██████ ███████ ███ ██████ ██ ████████. FJB.)
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To: Husker24
"Isn’t that supposed to be against the Geneva Convention?

You're kidding, right?

22 posted on 04/02/2023 11:11:38 AM PDT by Chainmail (Harrassment, to be effective, must be continuous.)
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In WW II the Germans used their 88mm anti-aircraft “flack” guns quite effectively against tanks.


23 posted on 04/02/2023 11:13:23 AM PDT by Nakota
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To: Paal Gulli

Yeah. People laugh about old Russian tanks, but even a A7V from 1917 would wipe out an entire area if the guys it’s attacking don’t have any anti tank.

Imagine what just one T34 can do against hundreds of guys with no means to put holes in it


24 posted on 04/02/2023 11:25:30 AM PDT by This_Dude
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The German 88 was an all around useful artillery/air/ground support piece.


25 posted on 04/02/2023 11:38:21 AM PDT by dynachrome (“We cannot save Ukraine by dooming the US economy.” Rand Paul)
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To: Nakota

It’s ‘’flak’’. ‘’Fliegerabwehrkannoe’’.

You’re right. The Germans first found out how effect the 88 could be against armor when Franco’s troops were given a few of them during The Spanish Civil War.


26 posted on 04/02/2023 11:39:59 AM PDT by jmacusa (Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots. )
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Rumor is Blinken and Biden told Ukraine that we won’t allow them to take Crimea and we will cut them off if they go too far.


27 posted on 04/02/2023 11:57:29 AM PDT by dila813
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Rumor is...

Rumor from who? The guy at the bar, or your hairdresser?

28 posted on 04/02/2023 12:22:27 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Its All Over Except ...
The Hindustan Times

A great source when you want a really ridiculous article to post.

One real reason for using older artillery is that it enables more shells to be put onto lower value targets. With a drone for correction even old artillery can be very effective against Russians in trenches.

But you already knew that if you have watched any of the thousands of hours of video from the front lines.

29 posted on 04/02/2023 12:25:26 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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They send available high explosives down range.

Agreed. You use what you have, not what you wish you had.

In addition, if those guns can fire 100mm AP founds, they can do a number on T-55s and even T-62s.

30 posted on 04/02/2023 12:28:42 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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The 88 was probably the best multipurpose land gun in World War 2. The US Naval 5 inch gun was the other top ranked dual purpose weapon. I don’t think these 100mm AAA guns are in the same league. It was a standard caliber for Russian anti-tank guns for years. It was also the standard gun on T-55 tanks. Wikipedia does claim that the KS-19 has good capabilities against ground targets.


31 posted on 04/02/2023 12:38:40 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Its All Over Except ...

We must have hundreds of Vulcan guns, both towed and SP. Not very effective against air targets, but better than nothing.


32 posted on 04/02/2023 12:42:02 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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Blinken, he is dropping hints in speeches seemingly confirming it.


33 posted on 04/02/2023 1:36:39 PM PDT by dila813
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he is dropping hints in speeches seemingly confirming it

Five days ago Secretary Blinken convened a meeting of representatives from multiple nations and he, along with the leaders he invited, endorsed Ukraine's 10 point plan for peace. Blinken said:

"All of us are committed to peace, but I believe also all of us are committed to making sure that that peace is a just and lasting one that respects Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. And as you heard today, Ukraine is proposing 10 common-sense principles that could serve as a roadmap to peace. This war could, of course, end tomorrow if President Putin so chose, by withdrawing Russia’s forces from Ukraine. But meanwhile, we have a plan put forward many weeks ago now by Ukraine. I really commend the plan to each and every one of you and would ask you to consider the 10 principles and, of course, to stand with Ukraine on the path to a just and durable peace."

Blinken clearly endorsed the plan, no need for rumors or hints.

In the same meeting, before Blinken's endorsement, the representation for Ukraine said:

"the fifth point of the formula is the implementation of the UN Charter and the restoration of Ukraine’s sovereignty. I don’t have to dwell too much on that; we all understand what this point is about."

"The formula’s sixth point is the withdrawal of Russian troops and the cessation of hostilities. I want to be clear: Russia has to withdraw from every square meter of Ukrainian territory. There should be no misinterpretation of what the word “withdrawal” implies."

You can read the transcript here.

Try again, your attempt to pretend Secretary Blinken is not in favor of ending the Russian occupation of Crimea is not supported by reality.

34 posted on 04/02/2023 3:13:20 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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He also set an another speech given was the date where Russia invaded Ukraine, he gave was a date that was post Crimea being annexed into Russia.


35 posted on 04/02/2023 4:50:40 PM PDT by dila813
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Assuming that there is suitable AP, HEAT, and HE ammunition, a 100mm high velocity AA gun should be able to deal with anything below a main battle tank. Save the missiles for them.

Assuming this report is true, of course.


36 posted on 04/02/2023 6:28:50 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (Determined effort today forges tomorrow.)
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