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Don't defund the FBI. Clean it out.
Hotair ^ | 04/06/2023 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 04/06/2023 5:44:53 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

At this point I see lots of negatives and no positives in FBI operations.

I’m not impressed with the DoJ, but maybe Jeff Sessions can suggest a new leader.


41 posted on 04/06/2023 7:32:28 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: SeekAndFind

It would be like trying to reform the Gestapo.


42 posted on 04/06/2023 7:38:26 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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“With the fall of the GDR, the Stasi was dissolved. Stasi employees began to destroy the extensive files and documents they held, either by hand or by using incineration or shredders. When these activities became known, a protest began in front of the Stasi headquarters.[72] The evening of 15 January 1990 saw a large crowd form outside the gates calling for a stop to the destruction of sensitive files. The building contained vast records of personal files, many of which would form important evidence in convicting those who had committed crimes for the Stasi. The protesters continued to grow in number until they were able to overcome the police and gain entry into the complex. Once inside, specific targets of the protesters’ anger were portraits of Erich Honecker and Erich Mielke, which were torn down, trampled upon or burnt. Some Stasi employees were thrown out of upper floor windows and beaten after falling to the streets below, but there were no deaths or serious injuries. Among the protesters were former Stasi collaborators seeking to destroy incriminating documents.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi

“Some groups within the former Stasi community used threats of violence to scare off Stasi hunters, who were actively tracking down ex-members. Though these hunters succeeded in identifying many ex-Stasi, charges could not be brought against anyone merely for being a registered Stasi member. The person in question had to have participated in an illegal act. Among the high-profile individuals arrested and tried were Erich Mielke, Third Minister of State Security of the GDR, and Erich Honecker, GDR head of state. Mielke was sentenced to six years prison for the 1931 murder of two policemen. Honecker was charged with authorizing the killing of would-be escapees along the east–west border and Berlin Wall. During his trial, he underwent cancer treatment. Nearing death, Honecker was allowed to spend his final years a free man. He died in Chile in May 1994.”


43 posted on 04/06/2023 7:44:18 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: SeekAndFind

Cannot clean it out without a complete replacement of personnel.


44 posted on 04/06/2023 7:44:38 PM PDT by arthurus (covfefe |->)
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To: arthurus

If someone wants to really clean up the organization, they need to fire the top 10 layers. Reform their recruitment and tell everyone left over that every third man will be fired unless they clean up their act. Do all this in a month.
Scorched earth.


45 posted on 04/06/2023 7:53:17 PM PDT by Texas resident (Who is running our country?)
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To: SeekAndFind
If they weren't a whistleblower, they need to go. The one's who kept quiet and followed orders they knew were not right are not the kind of people for the job.
46 posted on 04/06/2023 8:00:06 PM PDT by DejaJude (I'll be back, again.)
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To: SeekAndFind; All
The problem with the FBI is this imo. The very corrupt, post-17th Amendment ratification Congress steals state powers and then bases federal penal laws on those stolen powers.

The FBI then busts people who break those unconstitutional federal laws.

For example, regarding FBI suppressing domestic violence, the drafters of the Constitution made Article IV, Section 4 (4.4) to require the feds to STAND DOWN to domestic violence unless a state formally requests federal help in stopping the violence.

"Article IV, Section 4: The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence [emphases added]."

In fact, Justice Joseph story had clarified that the reason 4.4 was made was to keep the untrusted feds from dreaming up any excuse (my words) to interfere with the affairs of the sovereign states.

”§ 1819. It may not be amiss further to observe, (in the language of another commentator,) that every pretext for intermeddling with the domestic concerns of any state, under colour of protecting it against domestic violence, is taken away by that part of the provision, which renders an application from the legislature, or executive authority of the state endangered necessary to be made to the general government, before its interference can be at all proper [emphasis added]. On the other hand, this article becomes an immense acquisition of strength, and additional force to the aid of any state government, in case of an internal rebellion, or insurrection against its authority. The southern states, being more peculiarly open to danger from this quarter, ought (he adds) to be particularly tenacious of a constitution, from which they may derive such assistance in the most critical periods.” —Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution, Article 4, Section 4.

Also, the congressional record shows that Rep. John Bingham, a constitutional lawmaker, had clarified that the states have never expressly given the feds the specific power to make penal laws, not even for murder.

"Our Constitution never conferred upon the Congress of the United States the power - sacred as life is, first as it is before all other rights which pertain to man on this side of the grave - to protect it in time of peace by the terrors of the penal code within organized states; and Congress has never attempted to do it. There never was a law upon the United States statute-book to punish the murderer for taking away in time of peace the life of the noblest, and the most unoffending, as well, of your citizens, within the limits of any State of the Union [emphases added]. The protection of the citizen in that respect was left to the respective States, and there the power is to-day.” —Rep. John Bingham, Congressional Globe. (See bottom half of third column.)

Federal and state lawmakers will ultimately need to decide the fate of people who are in prison for breaking a federal law which is actually wrongly based on stolen state powers imo, such laws violating the 5th Amendment protection against double jeopardy imo.

47 posted on 04/06/2023 8:26:01 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: SeekAndFind

You don’t understand government worker mentality.

They want maximum power for minimum risk and responsibility.

They basically want to be tenured communist professors. These people have all rights and no responsibilities.

But inject a little risk into government system. Like if you don’t actually serve and protect the people—we’ll defund you. You can pay for your kids education with some other gig.

These fat b-stards will respond in the normal way the fat b-stards respond. They’ll rethink their agenda.


48 posted on 04/06/2023 8:56:14 PM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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To: Taxman

Ping


49 posted on 04/06/2023 9:05:57 PM PDT by Taxman (SAVE AMERICA! VOTE REPUBLICAN IN 2023 AND 2024!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The FBI certainly does things that are needed - counter-espionage, for example.

So you break down the agency, change its name, move people from DC and send different functions to difference states/cities.

that totally changes the bureaucracy, and makes the message clear.


50 posted on 04/06/2023 10:07:14 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: SeekAndFind

Jazz is a fool.

L


51 posted on 04/06/2023 10:08:03 PM PDT by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: SeekAndFind

DISBAND it completely. They are criminals in my book.


52 posted on 04/06/2023 10:27:48 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: ClearCase_guy

Congress is not in the position to “clean it out”! Congresses power resides in the power of the purse, thus defunding it is all they can do.


53 posted on 04/06/2023 11:41:11 PM PDT by TonyM (Score Event)
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To: SeekAndFind

Investigating treason, the only crime the federal government investigate per the Constitution.


54 posted on 04/07/2023 2:33:27 AM PDT by SandwicheGuy ("Man is the only pack animal that will follow an unstable leader." Cesar Chavetz)
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You expect the Democrats to fire the only people protecting the Democrats. Come back to planet earth when your done playing in that alternate Universe.


55 posted on 04/07/2023 6:57:24 AM PDT by USCG SimTech
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To: curious7; Nextrush; Bullish

The Judiciary Act of 1789 established the Office of the Attorney General.


56 posted on 04/07/2023 3:07:09 PM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

Remember how Hercules cleaned out the Augean stables? He diverted a river to run through it. Washed out everything. EVERYTHING.

The FBI is BEYOND REDEMPTION, too endemically corrupt. Don’t waste the effort of separating the pepper from the fly specks, wash out EVERYTHING. Leave NOTHING, burn it down and build from new.

Otherwise you’ll have fixed exactly NOTHING.


57 posted on 04/07/2023 8:29:04 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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RE: burn it down and build from new.

So, you’re still in favor of a FEDERAL Intelligence Bureau ( whatever you name it ), but built from the ground up?

How about this idea, scrapping the FBI (F as in Federal) altogether and distributing the money to all 50 states to form their own BIs ( Bureau of Investigations ), e.g. , Florida Bureau of Investigations ( Yes, FBI ), NYBI, NJBI, MBI ( Massachusetts ), CBI ( California ), NCBI, ( North Carolina ), SCBI ( South Carolina ), PBI ( Pennsylvania ), etc, etc.


58 posted on 04/07/2023 8:45:52 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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FBI admits to seeking informants within the Diocese of Richmond, SSPX

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/4144950/posts

EXCERPT:

RICHMOND, Virginia (LifeSiteNews) –– The FBI planned to recruit leaders in both a Virginia diocese and the Society of St. Pius X to spy on faithful Catholics.

The FBI provided information to U.S. Congressman Jim Jordan, Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, admitting that it had sought information “derived from at least one undercover employee” seeking to infiltrate religious organizations as “new avenues for tripwire and source development.” Jordan has previously received 18 pages of heavily-redacted documents regarding its investigation of Catholics and the Catholic Church in the Diocese of Richmond, Virginia.

Due to the limited response thus far by the FBI to Congressman Jordan’s initial request, the House Judiciary Committee initiated yet another subpoena for further information from the FBI.


59 posted on 04/12/2023 3:25:40 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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