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New York City Is Discovering That Legalizing Marijuana Wasn’t Really a Great Idea
PJ Media ^ | 04/17/2023 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 04/17/2023 10:44:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

Marijuana destroys lives. I have seen the effect on relatives and neighbors over the years.


41 posted on 04/17/2023 11:44:00 AM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: dynachrome
"Stay away from the downtown pedestrian mall in Denver, five points, and MLK Blvd."

I read quite a while ago that since they legalized the use of marijuana, that vehicle accident claims have gone up. Just searched and found this Forbes article:

Crash Rates Spike After Recreational Marijuana Is Legalized, New Studies Show

42 posted on 04/17/2023 11:44:12 AM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne )
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To: gundog
"That’s the spirit. /s"

I'm 75. I'll be 76 in August if I live that long. I've already outlived everyone else in my family. Nobody ever made it to 75. The youngest died at 51, so yes, I feel I'm living on borrowed time. I may not even be alive to vote a third time for Trump in 2024. I'd hoped that I would be dead before seeing this country turned into a third world shithole, but that hope is long gone.

43 posted on 04/17/2023 11:48:01 AM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne )
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To: yukong

The great delusion is that pot isn’t as bad as alcohol when neither are good.


44 posted on 04/17/2023 11:50:13 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: alexander_busek
"Irrelevant and immaterial. According to your logic, it is wrong to legalize something as long as people who don't want to pay for it might still steal it."

Recreational drugs of any kind shouldn't be legalized, because like gay marriage, it then opens up the way for liberals to take it even farther. They like to introduce perversion and aberrant behavior, piece by piece, and they've been allowed to get away with it.

45 posted on 04/17/2023 11:51:51 AM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne )
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To: mass55th

Well, a lot of people are going to have to live here after you’re gone. I can sympathize with wanting to see the lefties get what they deserve, good and hard, but others will suffer. as well.


46 posted on 04/17/2023 11:52:23 AM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: LouAvul
When it comes to narcotics I’m pretty much a “libertarian” myself. It’s not because I think it’s a good thing for people to be strung out and stoned. I just recognize that it’s completely impractical to have the government regulate what you can ingest into your body. It’s also the antithesis of personal liberty, I might add.

I would suggest that drugs themselves aren’t the problem here. The REAL problem is that this rampant abuse of narcotics takes place in a society where the personal consequences for bad decisions have been legislated or regulated out of existence. That is a recipe for disaster.

Many of the problems associated with drug abuse would disappear if drugs were legalized, taxpayer-funded health care ceased to exist, and all crimes that are commonly associated with drug addicts were prosecuted harshly — or met with lethal resistance by the targeted victims.

47 posted on 04/17/2023 11:55:27 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've just pissed in my pants and nobody can do anything about it." -- Major Fambrough)
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To: mass55th
Recreational drugs of any kind shouldn't be legalized, because like gay marriage, it then opens up the way for liberals to take it even farther. They like to introduce perversion and aberrant behavior, piece by piece, and they've been allowed to get away with it.

That is an entirely different argument than the "people will steal it anyway"-argument you led with.

So: You are also in favor - for the same reasons - of again prohibiting alcohol?

Regards,

48 posted on 04/17/2023 11:57:27 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: gundog
"others will suffer. as well."

Hello??? Others are already suffering because of liberal policies.

49 posted on 04/17/2023 11:58:16 AM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne )
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To: alexander_busek
"So: You are also in favor - for the same reasons - of again prohibiting alcohol?"

I don't drink the shit anyway, so I could give a rat's ass what they do with it. The bottom line is that whether it be drugs or alcohol, or any substance the government allows you to sniff, inject, or swallow, they will be getting their share of the bucks from it, no matter how it effects peoples' lives. The government runs illegal programs, and makes money off of it. They throw money at fake wars, and make money from it. Everything the government does, you can bet your sweet ass, it's putting money in their pockets. I don't have to help politicians get any wealthier than they already are.

50 posted on 04/17/2023 12:06:23 PM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne )
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To: alexander_busek
"That is an entirely different argument than the "people will steal it anyway"-argument you led with."

People will steal anything if it isn't nailed down, and they will steal it even if it is. There are all kinds of thieves, and I came across all kinds working in NY State's prison system for 25 years. And then there's the thieves that run the government. Not all the criminals are behind bars.

51 posted on 04/17/2023 12:12:32 PM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne )
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To: Sacajaweau

Tax collected-— 1 penny

Money spent on damages-—3 dollars.


52 posted on 04/17/2023 12:16:02 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: wny

When you see what it has done to Portland (which had a serious drug problem since the 80’s) it should be no surprise to anyone...
Except local gov who were told it was going to raise revenue.
Another lie.


53 posted on 04/17/2023 12:16:55 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: DoodleBob

The Federal government, since the founding of this nation, has always wanted to tax the financial success of booze. It amazes me that the Feds hasn’t done the same with cannabis.

Other than taxation reasons, this isn’t a Federal issue. Banning alcohol, weed, tobacco, e-cigarette’s, or whatever should be done at the state levels.

I am not a supporter of absolyte cannabis legalization. As a police officer if almost 40 years experience I’ve seen too much that convinces me that recreational/non-medicinal cannabis use is a destructive thing. I feel exactly the same way about alcohol, with wisdom coming from too many years as an active alcoholic (10 years sober praise God). Alcohol has many great applications as a metal parts cleaner, an antiseptic, and maybe medicinally...but as for casual/recreational use it is a destructive thing. The same applies to cannabis. It has some legitimate uses in medicine, in the making of hemp products that are effective consumer products....but it’s use as a casual/recreational intoxicant it has terrible impact.

Complete legalization of cannabis is a horrible idea. But it is hypocrisy to have legal booze but not legal cannabis.


54 posted on 04/17/2023 12:19:54 PM PDT by GLH3IL (Romans 10:9)
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To: mass55th
Take CA, for instance.

Mexican cartels and Chinese Triads have huge grow operations, all over the state.

Illegal weed production and sales have skyrocketed.

Just need to undercut the very high "legal" price.

55 posted on 04/17/2023 12:23:28 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: gundog

RE: Everything gets stolen in NYC. and NY would benefit from shooting a number of thieves.

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I cannot locate an old reference in which a police official stated the average number of crimes perpetrated by one criminal before an arrest for one of them. It may have been 80 or something.

So like Robert Ringer and Dennis Prager we should imagine a large number of Dems and other criminals are on the streets and sidewalks when we go out, people “who represent a danger to themselves and to us” and are irrational and “unstable.” (Ringer).

Just on some types of crime:
“The Vast Majority of Perpetrators Will Not Go to Jail or Prison”

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system


56 posted on 04/17/2023 12:26:33 PM PDT by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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To: Alberta's Child; GLH3IL

Thank you.

Btw, I believe most if not all drugs are Bad News. I recommend people don’t TAKE drugs. And as I noted elsewhere, marijuana today is reportedly super potent and not “mellow yellow.” I suspect many “it’s not harmful” pro-legalization folks gave up pot in the 80s.

But I can’t ban drugs because I don’t like them. If the govt could ban stuff because of like/dislike, I’d recommend that govt ban PowerPoint and Springsteen.


57 posted on 04/17/2023 12:44:50 PM PDT by DoodleBob ( Gravity’s waiting period is about 9.8 m/s²)
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To: AppyPappy
Virginia made it legal to grow and possess Weed but not sell it. Oddly, nothing really happened but the state is not getting the tax money. I think everyone here is growing it.

Virginia is getting their tax money through sales tax from anything the marijuana growers buy as well as the property taxes for the homes they live in, all paid for with marijuana growing money.

58 posted on 04/17/2023 12:51:28 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: Sacajaweau

“But we’re collecting TAXES on it.”

That was the argument in favor of legalization in California.

But instead black market pot sales still dwarf legal sales.

The pot farms here are international cartel operations. Mexico, China, you name it, they are here. We had a Hmong grow operation get slaughtered last year in Riverside County. Somebody shot all of them, left the piles of cash and pot untouched.


59 posted on 04/17/2023 12:57:52 PM PDT by Pelham (Joe Biden, Brain of the American Left)
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To: DoodleBob

It took a Constitutional Amendment to ban booze. What ridiculous torture of the Constitution is required to ban pot?

Btw if you say the Commerce Clause, you’re a philosophical cousin of gun grabbers, comrade.


Back in 1919 the idea was that Congress was limited in what it could Constitutionally do by what was stated in Article 1, Section 8. The first attempt to ban pot was by putting a tax on it and refusing to sell the tax stamps necessary to be legal. By the time SCOTUS said that was unconstitutional, the old Commerce Clasue gambit had been in use for decades.

Apparently, the plain language of the Constitution is too complex for ordinary mortals to understand. Only the brilliant minds of SCOTUS Justices can parse the meaning. /s


60 posted on 04/17/2023 1:06:54 PM PDT by hanamizu
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