Posted on 04/25/2023 1:06:22 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
Daniel Ellsberg, the man behind the largest and perhaps most consequential disclosure in U.S. history, said the latest intelligence leaks show that the war between Russia and Ukraine is at a “stalemate,” drawing similarities to the Vietnam War.
Ellsberg, now 92, leaked the Pentagon Papers — a top-secret Defense study into the U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War — to the New York Times in 1971. The leak was devastating to the American government, an indictment of U.S. policy and detailing the country’s decades-long involvement in Vietnam and validating many of the anti-war criticisms.
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Vietkraine.
Shut up and pay your taxes, comrade.
Vietnam was not a military stalemate — the war was lost in our Congress. S. Vietnam’s fate was sealed when Nixon lied about Watergate.
...and in public opinion, based on lies and obfuscations by the Lame Stream Media.
Before dragging the US neck deep into the Ukraine war, President Zombie Biden bragged publicly about drawing the Russians into “porcupine” strategy, wherein the Russian would be bled over a long period by Ukrainians using US/Western weapons. Brandon’s policy objective was a long bloody stalemate. Billions spent on weapons and aid dumped down a rathole, with massive opportunity for corruption lining Biden crime-family pockets. And the postwar “reconstruction” of Ukraine will be the graft opportunity of all time.
It’s a Democrat in office and most the media conglomerates and journalists are Democrat (5/6ths of them).
Big corporate America and Europe wanted this. The MSM is beholden to the big corporations and oligarchs who outright own them (Washington Post: Bezos / MSNBS: Gates), or because they make their money from advertising.
NATO wants this.
The political elite in the US and Europe, who follow whatever their corporate masters want, support this. They pay for their parties, campaigns, make them the millionaires and even billionaires they are. Congress is essentially for sale.
That’s what caused this war in the first place: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-zelenskiy-holding-talks-with-biden-adviser-says-2021-12-09/ (We’re big, we’re strong, and we can do whatever we want - we don’t need to listen to anyone else)
No one gave a $hit about the Russian position, what they said, what we previously promised them, how we would react if in their shoes... We were just going to “force” our will on them and if you’re not with us, you’re against us (I heard that before somewhere - hahaha).
Sometimes all the pieces start moving in the same direction (political, economic). There is no one questioning, no dissent, and what follows is very stupid: Covid response, Iraq invasion 2003, Patriot Act post 9-11, war in Ukraine.
When you get these avalanches (usually when you have political and economic interests converging), there is a lack of balance, no one is looking at the cost vs. benefit. There is no moderation. In fact often no one is considering the possible repercussions. Things get stupid and you’re expected to get on that train - or else you get some negative label slapped on you.
Here come da Ukies. I hope the don’t mind shackin’ up with illgals.
Stalemate? There was a winner in Vietnam... It was north Vietnamese.
There will be a winner in the Ukraine too... But it won’t be the nostalgic communist Putin... It will be the Ukrainians.
Ukraine stalemating Russia is a win for Ukraine and a DEFEAT for Imperial Russia.
Russian disinformation. Could not be further from the truth.
Zelenskyy has a lot of flaws, but nowhere has he got "new cars" -- why are you repeating nonsense?
“porcupine” strategy, is not as you state.
Rather - a porcupine — a prickly, stubborn nation that would be hard for an invading Russian army to digest
So more about preventing Russia from absorbing Ukraine.
Nope -- Putin and his cronies wanted this. That's why Putin invaded
you post an article from December 2021 -- after Russia had already set up an invasion force and you think that Ukraine was responsible?
That's dumb -- Putin had already set up his troops for invasion
Furthermore, you completely ignore the facts that:,ol>
The Russian position was - we will assimilate all of Ukraine or make it a vassal state like Bialorus
Megan is correct
The Ukrainians won (past tense) in March 2022 when they defeated the Russians in the battle of Hostomel Airport and secured Kyiv out of Russian control.
That was the defeat of Putin’s main war plan — and Putin lost.
Putin then went for plan B: to make Ukraine land-locked. That failed in June with the Russian losses at Mykolaiv and that was consolidated in November when Kherson was liberated by the Ukrainians from Russian control.
Putin’s plan C was to gain territory in Kharkiv and the entire east of the Dnieper — that failed in September.
Putin’s plan now is the land-corridor to Crimea. That’s plan D and the outcome is still in contention.
Ukraine has already won the first 3 times against Putin.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/24/biden-ukraine-russia-counteroffensive-defense-00093384
How Ukrainian soldiers ran the extermination camp at Treblinka during the Second World War
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJDevsbG4ns&ab_channel=HistoryDebunked
You are 100% correct as to what the “porcupine” concept is supposed to be. My view is that the Biden administration invoked the porcupine rhetoric cynically to justify massive arms and aid transfers to Ukraine (we have to give peace a chance...), with no serious expectation of “prevention”. Ukraine is not Switzerland, and there was a hot civil war underway, with Luhansk and Donetsk recognized as independent states by Russia.
Biden’s blustering made invasion more likely (if that was possible), and there was no real diplomatic solution is the offing. Given Putin’s personal situation, Russia’s security and economic imperatives, Putin’s public statements and prior actions in Georgia and Crimea, his Eurasian Economic Union project, etc., could anyone believe Putin would be deterred by untested threats? Biden’s comments such as “as long as it takes and as much as it takes” suggest a long, ugly digestion process. If whoever is running US policy expected prevention, God help us.
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