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Ukraine’s Zelensky Asks Pope Francis to Condemn Russian Aggression, Support Restoration of Ukrainian Territory
Wall Street Journal ^ | 5/13/23 | By Francis X. Rocca and Margherita Stancati

Posted on 05/13/2023 5:34:32 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...

ROME—Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky called on Pope Francis to support Kyiv’s formula for peace—based on returning Ukraine’s territory—in a pointed message to the pontiff, who has refused to explicitly condemn Russia’s invasion.

The pope, who met with Mr. Zelensky at the Vatican on Saturday, has offered to serve as an intermediary in negotiations between Kyiv and Moscow but his neutral stance, and his suggestions that the West provoked the war, have raised skepticism in Ukraine.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: antipope; francis; globalism; putin; redfrancis; romancatholicism; russia; ukraine; zelensky; zelvisfansforbiden; zelvisinconcert; zelvisontour

1 posted on 05/13/2023 5:34:32 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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1/2 Francis is a heretic and yet he’s correct in leaning towards the west (Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden) precipitating this crisis.

Then there’s this:

WION | Gravitas Plus: Did NATO push Ukraine into war?

https://youtu.be/TzgPJeYZaOU

“The Ukraine conflict has been ‘westsplained’ enough. On Gravitas Plus, Palki Sharma tells you how Western arrogance & NATO’s expansionism are also to blame, how their actions precipitated the crisis in Ukraine.”

But Francis is still a heretic, and I say that being pro-TLM and pro-Eastern Catholic rites, and his heresy goes beyond his opposition to the TLM as his actions show he is friendly to just about any religion or religious persuasion except Tradition and the TLM.


2 posted on 05/13/2023 5:35:16 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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One heretic going to meet another heretic in Rome.

Pachapapa Francis participated in an ecumenical service with openly heretical, pro-abort, pro-gay marriage Lutherans in Sweden, thus violating and going against at least two previous ecumenical councils forbidding this.

More than one church doctor has written on how one does not need to be in a position of authority to recognize when another has Violated councils, mingled with heretics, or committed heresy as Pachapapa Francis did when he blessed the Pachamama statue brought onto sacred ground and allowed her devotees, who openly admitted the statute was not Mother Mary, to prostrate before it, making Francus worse than Pope Honorius I.

Secondly, Zel set himself up in the place of God to decide that he gets to shut churches down when only God Almighty gets to do that. When average parishioners, church-goers, etc, say they are going to church in Ukraine where they want to go, that’s the end of the discussion. Man has limits to his power and that includes the man Zelensky.

And the churches they want to attend aren’t even heretical churches but at worst schismatic. Zel shut them down even though they broke away from the Moscuw Patriarchate for being pro-Putin but still Zel persecutes them.

Leaving aside everything else, supporting Zel on this very limited window of events makes one a heretic or heretic enabler given Zel openly consists positively with heretics and is a persecutor of churches.

And I’m not even Orthodox of any stripe and can see this.


3 posted on 05/13/2023 5:36:41 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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How about Zelensky banning Christian Orthodox church and jailing priests? Did the Pope speak to him of that?


4 posted on 05/13/2023 5:41:21 PM PDT by shalom aleichem (Sick 'n Tired! Tell us wnat to DO about it! )
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*2/2


5 posted on 05/13/2023 5:41:48 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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Frankie wants Ukie grift and is willing to bend doctrine as needed to get financial gain

RCINC is the oldest most profitable multinational corporation on the planet


6 posted on 05/13/2023 5:42:07 PM PDT by slapshot ( - Get woke go broke-)
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How about Zelensky banning Christian Orthodox church and jailing priests?
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This cheap move solidifies my stance. A questionable “Jewish “ leader ( his wife and kids are Christians), seeks a questionable Christian Pope for his support.

Pray hard for discernment.


7 posted on 05/13/2023 5:47:08 PM PDT by delta7
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Oh my! pope francis?


8 posted on 05/13/2023 6:17:56 PM PDT by mylife (I was a sort of country boy, a cockeyed optimist, wrapped in international intrigue and espionage)
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Did the pope bring up Zelensky shutting down Christian churches?


9 posted on 05/13/2023 6:26:22 PM PDT by roving (👌⚓)
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Russia Advance, 20 Bldngs Left (In Bakhmut)
10 posted on 05/13/2023 7:01:03 PM PDT by Kazan
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Ukraine Receiving Storm Shadow Cruise Missiles + the Propaganda Storm around Bakhmut

Update on the conflict in Ukraine for May 13, 2023:

- Russian media space panics over false claims of Ukraine’s offensive beginning;

- The trading of territory in Bakhmut is typical of urban combat operations and does not indicate a “momentum shift” until the vector sum of the fighting begins favoring Ukraine rather than Russian forces;

- Additional evidence has surfaced that Ukraine is using some of its best military hardware in and around Bakhmut including German-made self-propelled howitzers, indicating that Russian plans to draw in and destroy Ukraine’s best troops and equipment is working;

- Ahead of Ukraine’s offensive, both sides are conducting long-range strikes. For Russia it is about disrupting Ukraine’s offensive potential. For Ukraine it is about shaping the psychological and media landscape of the conflict;

- The Storm Shadow cruise missile is air-launched and for targets deep inside Russian territory to be under threat, Ukrainian warplanes must travel dangerously close ot the line of contact and expose themselves to Russian air defenses. The missiles themselves must circumvent Russian air defense systems and electronic warfare measures;

- The terrain mapping feature most likely will require intelligence sharing between Ukraine and the US-UK in order to make the missile’s use most effective;

- While Storm Shadow missiles and other long-range weapons Ukraine may have will inevitably make it through to their targets these are not capabilities Russia doesn’t already have and in greater abundance. If these are war-winning capabilities, Russia is going to win the war first;

11 posted on 05/13/2023 7:01:41 PM PDT by Kazan
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Yep.

The media ignores this also:

Bakhmut Battle: Putin’s assault teams push back Ukrainian troops; ‘Liberate’ area in northwest

“While the situation in Ukraine’s eastern front remains relatively calm, the Donetsk region continues to face heavy battle. Putin’s forces have pushed back Ukrainian troops in northwest Bakhmut. The Russian Defence Ministry said its assault teams have liberated one quarter in the northwestern part of Bakhmut. The latest offensive comes amid Ukrainian claims of advancement of its troops along parts of the front line against Russian troops”

https://youtu.be/bruYSg8tbY8


12 posted on 05/13/2023 7:08:51 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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Interesting speaker .....what do you know about him?


13 posted on 05/13/2023 7:11:11 PM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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The two fornicating donkeys meet.


14 posted on 05/14/2023 4:08:34 AM PDT by exPBRrat
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And I’m not even Orthodox of any stripe and can see this.

No, you're just a russian propagandist who NEVER mentions that ALL non-Moscow led churches AND mosques in russian occupied areas are taken over.

Ukraine: Pro-Russian forces shutting down churches, arresting pastors

A religious freedom watchdog has warned of Pro-Russian forces persecuting non-Orthodox churches in Ukraine.

According to Release International, forces occupying areas in Ukraine have closed down the three largest evangelical Protestant churches in Melitopol and shut down churches in Mariupol. In another raid, soldiers reportedly claimed that only Orthodoxy would be tolerated.

Russian troops raided Grace Baptist Church in Melitopol while a worship service was underway, shut it down and ordered the pastor to leave the city.

Pro-Russian forces shutting down churches, arresting pastors

15 posted on 05/14/2023 4:32:47 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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