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Here's the AP/MSM breaking the truth to the Ukrainian loyalists...slowly.

It looks like Russia is handing Ukraine their ass on the battlefield.

1 posted on 06/12/2023 11:56:37 AM PDT by Mariner
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So which is it? For the past year, we were consistently told the russkies are running out of ammo and their soldiers were weak, untrained, and a bunch of convicts, and had to use shovels in combat.

This is what I hate about propaganda. I get secrecy in war, but the constant lies have created a momentum of their own that has crashed into hard reality and they STILL pretend.


2 posted on 06/12/2023 12:00:12 PM PDT by TonyinLA (I don't have sufficient information to formulate a reasoned opinion said no lefty ever.)
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Another media article downplaying counteroffensive hopes.
Another at CNN this morning and another at the UK Globe today

Mmmm


3 posted on 06/12/2023 12:00:33 PM PDT by janetjanet998
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They are, Ukraine has yet to make it past Russia’s preliminary defense line, there are 3 others in key areas. The New Atlas with Brian Berletic covered this on YouTube a day or so ago, 27:02 min long, everything is referenced below the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4eyW_87Z74


4 posted on 06/12/2023 12:04:28 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose (Praise Hashem, for his restoration of all things! )
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Yup. Russia is winning but in an easterly direction.


5 posted on 06/12/2023 12:05:40 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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So, how do the Russians get improved weaponry in 15 moths that they didn’t have in the past?

It takes time to develop and build new weapons. Methinks that their ‘improved’ weapons are the same as what they had before.

In any case, it seems that the Ukrainians are getting results with their current counteroffensive, ‘new’ Russian weaponry notwithstanding.


7 posted on 06/12/2023 12:11:17 PM PDT by adorno
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We have some names, after further digging:

Associated Press writers Danica Kirka in London, Tara Copp in Normandy, France, and Yuras Karmanau in Tallinn, Estonia, contributed.

Note that not ALL the guilty parties are named.       

9 posted on 06/12/2023 12:18:12 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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Obama 2016: “They (Russia) are a smaller country, they are a weaker country, their economy doesn’t produce anything that anybody wants to buy except oil and gas and arms. They don’t innovate.”

John McCain 2015: "Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country," It's kleptocracy. It's corruption. It's a nation that's really only dependent upon oil and gas for their economy, and so economic sanctions are important."

Jake Sullivan 2016: "Vladmir Putin just confirmed that Donald Trump is carrying Russia's water with his pro-Putin wish list of policies, and Trump will go through with it."

these are your "leaders" America.

10 posted on 06/12/2023 12:18:20 PM PDT by PGR88
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While we have been spending the years bragging about how great we are and pushing a wokey gay and transgender military while setting race fires, open borders, and self destruction inside our own country, Russia and China have been preparing for what they knew was coming their way.

Very sad that we have turned the US over to the UN and the NWO.


12 posted on 06/12/2023 12:26:38 PM PDT by dforest
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Improved weaponry? They ran out of missiles last March...or was it May?


14 posted on 06/12/2023 12:39:17 PM PDT by wiseprince (Me,)
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Armor isn’t what it used to be. Both sides are losing armored vehicles at a high rate.


21 posted on 06/12/2023 2:42:22 PM PDT by popdonnelly (All the enormous crimes in history have been committed by governments.)
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