Posted on 06/20/2023 5:51:39 AM PDT by McGruff
“you’re finally seeing the light, Bob!”
LOL, but if this does go nuclear, we certainly can’t say it came out of the blue!
Probably true.
They don't need to give up 'cause they will become "dust in the wind" -- sooner rather than later.
China is kicking our ass all over the place and Biden tosses out the Russia decoy.
Media approved
Sounds like Biden and the deep state are planning a false flag nuclear incident
Biden says threat of Putin using tactical nuclear weapons is 'real'...Biden: We hope.
Not to worry.
Blinkin (and nod) is on the way to defuse the misunderstanding.
“President Joe Biden said on Monday the threat of Russian President Vladimir Putin using tactical nuclear weapons is real.”
That is not what I’ve been hearing from this administration up to this point. So, he only realized it on Monday?
To me, this seems like Cuban Missile Crisis 2.0.
Missile Crisis 1.0: We station nukes in Turkey (among other things the Soviets found concerning at the time). So they plop nukes in Cuba, where, at the time, they could strike the US before we could retaliate. “How do ya like them apples?” Of course we didn’t like them apples. So both the Americans and the Soviets then acted like grownups and took all their shiny missiles home. Crisis solved.
Missile Crisis 2.0: We insist on admitting Ukraine to NATO (and there is loose talk about stationing missiles near the Russian border capable of striking Moscow before the Russians could respond). After over a decade of making it clear this is a red line for Russia, with Washington refusing to budge and doubling down on its stance in Ukraine, Putin finally invades Ukraine. Horrible war. Still Washington refuses to budge. Putin plops missiles in Belarus. “How do you like them apples?” Biden doesn’t act like a grownup, continues doubling down. Horrible war rages on.
From JFK’s “Peace Speech” 1963:
“Above all, while defending our own vital interests, nuclear powers must avert those confrontations which bring an adversary to a choice of either a humiliating retreat or a nuclear war. To adopt that kind of course in the nuclear age would be evidence only of the bankruptcy of our policy—or of a collective death-wish for the world.”
We no longer have statesmen as we did back in the 1960s (and ‘70s and 80s). Since the dawn of the 1990s, we’ve had neocon ideologues in charge who refused to listen to the real statesmen of the Cold War era or to voices of reason, and we’ve had stupid, costly forever wars ever since.
JFK’s speech is truly worth another listen now. Just the speech:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0fkKnfk4k40
Speech plus commentary from Jeffrey Sachs on how it is relevant to the situation in Ukraine now:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wRTx6wqizkM
Aside from the death and destruction, the trillions we spent on these wars (for what — look at Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria — all costly messes with no gains for us). What if we’d done like the Chinese and invested in R&D and our own infrastructure, a high-tech moonshot? If we had, we’d be leading the world in 5G and the Fourth Industrial Revolution and winning influence all over the globe (not to mention getting richer and more powerful). But no, we squandered our precious “peace dividend” at the end of the Cold War on foolish and costly wars and warmongering. And keep on keeping digging tat hole :(
It looks like the Pentagon finally got through to this dunce.
But the Dept of State still believes Russia has no working nukes.
[defuse]
Thank you for not using “diffuse” LOL
“Ukraine isn’t giving up. Period.”
Folks thought that of Germany and Japan in WWII.
Then, they tired of dying.
They will give up and they will cut the best deal they can.
nah, I don’t agree with that at all
most Russians don’t care about Ukraine, while Ukrainians are fighting for their country’s life
plus, cowardly attacks like those missile strikes on apartment buildings last fall are only hardening their resolve
so I see the Russian people giving up long before Ukraine does
“From JFK’s “Peace Speech” 1963:
“Above all, while defending our own vital interests, nuclear powers must avert those confrontations which bring an adversary to a choice of either a humiliating retreat or a nuclear war. To adopt that kind of course in the nuclear age would be evidence only of the bankruptcy of our policy—or of a collective death-wish for the world.””
This is so true. Right now Russia will not give up Crimea and will do everything they have to do, including nukes, to keep a hold of Crimea. I think Putin would negotiate on parts of the east of Ukraine they currently possess, but not Crimea.
Secretary Blinken is running this war for NATO and will not allow peace talks to start until Russia is out of Ukraine, including Crimea. Blinken is willing to do everything, including NATO troops, to make that happen before peace talks will be allowed.
With that the case, this war will continue until one side is clearly being defeated. If the Ukraine is being clearly defeated, Blinken will get NATO directly involved with pilots and planes out of NATO countries and NATO troops manning the air defense systems in Ukraine.
With that, Russia will attack the NATO air bases basing the planes (Putin has stated it would happen) that will result with NATO directly at war with Russia. Russia will respond with tactical nukes to keep from being overrun and the war will quickly escalates to a massive nuclear world war. We will all be dead.
If Russia begins to be defeated and is threatened with the loss of Crimea, they will use tactical nukes to tide the battle. NATO will respond by sinking Russia’s Black Sea navy and the war will quickly escalates to a massive nuclear world war. We will all be dead.
I see Secretary Blinken as the key that is going to determine if we will all be dead or not.
The Ukrainians have been shelling apartment buildings in the LDNR since 2014 and still at it. We bombed apartment buildings in Serbia in 1999 and in Libya in 2011.
Both Ukraine and Russia see this as an existential war. Neither side will give up until it has to. Biden and his toadies in NATO have foolishly made it into a near-existential war on the part of NATO by claiming NATO and “Western civilization” hang in the balance in this proxy war. What an unholy quagmire. And what a dangerous one.
First thing Biden has said that’s correct.
And he is instrumental in seeing it happen.
Supplying Ukraine with more and more sophisticated weapons is going to push Putin into using tactical nukes. Then what??
Putin isn’t gonna say “Oh well I tried” pick up his marbles and go home.
We must have been typing at the same time. Yes, this is a very dangerous game we are playing, and it didn’t start last year. There was a very long chain of events leading up to this horror, and we have acted most imprudently (to put it mildly).
It’s not just Blinken. Victoria Nuland is also a key player. Biden, Nuland and Blinken were the ones who orchestrated the violent overthrow of Ukraine’s democratically-elected president in 2014 and installed their handpicked puppets (both from unsavory parties and backgrounds) and were behind all the loose talk about turning Sevastopol into a NATO port. And, of course, sparked off the civil war in the Donbass.
There are rumors that voices of reason in the Pentagon are being edged out and Nuland will soon be promoted. If true, this bodes ill.
Blinken is just one example of the “military-industrial complex” and the incestuous relationships between it (and Big Pharmacy and Big Tech and Big Ag, etc.) and our government officials*:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_Blinken#Private_sector
There is one hope: other NATO members in Europe appear to see that there will likely be no total victory for Ukraine and have no taste for putting their own troops into Ukraine. Oddly, aside from the presidents of Hungary and Croatia, who have both been outspoken against the war and therefore gained pariah status, the only European leader even tentatively showing interest in a negotiated settlement is Macron. If the Ukrainian counter-offensive continues to flounder, it’s possible other European countries will begin to get cold feet and push for diplomacy over escalation, but it’s a slim chance. The media both here and in Europe keeps beating the drums of war, and anyone calling for reason and peace and diplomacy is labelled a “Putin supporter”.
It feels like 1914 when the world went mad. Let us pray, and pray hard.
*Without serious campaign finance reform and electoral reform, we will continue on down this path of Government by The Big Guys, For The Big Guys and Of The Big Guys. We have rather become more of a plutarchy than the democratic republic our Founding Fathers bequeathed us.
Good post. I do hope things will work out before we blow up the world.
When was Biden last tight about anything of consequence? The answer to that question is a major factor why I don’t support any efforts to aid Ukraine. Another major factor is that the U.S. never had and still does not have a national interest in Ukraine that affects the lives of ordinary American citizens. There isn’t a single American on FR that can name a single thing made better in their lives by this war; win, lose or draw. There are plenty of things that negatively impact our economy and national security by running a proxy war against Russia.
Every president since Truman had the good judgment to avoid a direct confrontation with a nuclear armed USSR/Russia. And fortunately USSR/Russia wasn’t eager to directly engage us so WWIII didn’t happen.
But the cabal that is actually in charge of the Biden farce lacks that judgment, and they are liable to let us all find out the answer to “what could possibly go wrong?” by directly threatening Russia.
Our current rulers have been making threats in neocon/neoliberal think tanks for years, demanding “regime change” and the dismantling of Russia into a bunch of smaller states, like was done to Yugoslavia.
We the American public weren’t paying any attention to this, but Russia certainly was. And they will assume that now that this cabal is in charge of the American government that they really mean to try it. Anyone who thinks that an ensuing war won’t directly affect the American civilian population is deluding themselves.
Oh, well. MAD time./s
Zelensky reasoned very persuasively in his subway interview with David Letterman that Putin wanted to live, because he was filmed talking to his close advisors on one side of a very long table, for fear of Covid. Little did Z know that that was a clever ruse to disguise a death wish./s
Joseph Stolen can’t even do fear tactics right anymore. Kamala and Blinken should step down, and allow Kevin to take over.
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