Posted on 06/25/2023 9:25:42 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
Name a single national interest in Ukraine. One that directly affects everyday Americans. You can shove your warped military industrial complex and forever war comments where the sun doesn’t shine. Supporting Nazis is not American.
WOW. So you are openly violating the Budapest Memorandum signed by America in 1994 then! Thus, you want America to look like a banana republic.
A place that doesn’t respect its international defense commitments towards its allies is truly dooming itself.
You want America to look that bad?
Why do you want America to violate the Budapest Memorandum it signed in 1994?
If you care so much for Ukraine, then send your money and go there and fight.
An "officially" non-NATO nation is at war with an "officially" non-NATO nation, and the "go to war crowd" seems to be moving from billions sent into a money pit, towards NATO military involvement, meaning the non-NATO war becomes by degree and over time a NATO-Russian war, in which Ukraine, however it might survive, will be an afterthought.
With what is the Biden regime using as money? Massive increases in debt.
$32,000,000,000,000 and climbing, which our kids and their kids will be told they have to repay? Ticktock, and bring home the Bacon, a political pork product.
https://www.cato.org/commentary/neutrality-ukraine-armed-yes-guaranteed-no
CATO Institute commentary by Doug Bandow
[M]uch depends on the Turkish-sponsored peace negotiations. It is difficult to judge Moscow’s seriousness. Even Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov evidently has little authority to negotiate. All decisions appear to be made by President Vladimir Putin. Ukrainians fear that the Russian military will use the negotiations for combat advantage.
Nevertheless, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky indicated his willingness to accept neutral status for Kyiv and drop its efforts to enter NATO. That should create a basis for a negotiated settlement.
Whatever the war’s ultimate outcome, it will not be Americans’ responsibility to police.
However, the devil is in the details. First, Ukraine is highly unlikely to agree to demilitarization, especially now. It would have been foolish for Kyiv to have trusted Moscow before (Ukrainians also discovered the nugatory value of allied promises of NATO membership). Now it is impossible to imagine Kyiv agreeing to anything but well-armed neutrality. However, that remains the Zelensky government’s and Ukrainian people’s decision to make.
Second, Zelensky indicated that he wants security guarantees. And not just rhetorical promises like in the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, which accompanied Ukraine’s relinquishment of Soviet-era nuclear weapons. The US, United Kingdom, and Russia all offered assurances that were to be enforced by going to the United Nations Security Council, which meant they would not be enforced at all.
I am sympathetic to the notion that the US should just withdraw from its foreign commitments but I think many who advocate for that are simply delusional about what the costs would be in terms of cutting off foreign trade to reduce security exposure and to shore up defense on our own territory. It would require an almost WWII style mobilization of industry and resources which would never be present, so we'd just wind up with enormous economic and military exposure.
Yes … people need to read the last sentence of your post. Go to the UN.
Always vote in the Primaries, vote out incumbents - if that does not work, then you have more choices - one is to NOT vote
Any chance you can hire someone - there are options other than the Sicilians
Dude, put on your big Pants, and head on over, you are needed in the FRONT LINES - The Ruskies need something to shoot at
You are not very smart - the minute the Ruskies start to Collapse, the Chinks take over everything EAST of the Urals - all the way to Kamchatka. Encircle the Japs and invade Taiwan and possibly the Japs. Lots of Oil and Gas in Kamchatka
The Budapest Memorandum is... well... as it says : a Memorandum. In this case giving ASSURANCES of respecting Ukraine’s sovereignty and borders.
In return, Ukraine respected its own part of that deal and gave all their nuclear missiles back to Russia! Yes indeed, thats what they did! That was a condition America had pushed VERY hard for. America got Ukraine to act according to their will, so at the very least it seems logic America start respecting ITS OWN part of the deal AS WELL! Right?
That’s a minimum of decency and respect for the rule of signed agreements.
They are all in on it. Sex trafficking and money laundering.
There's nothing now to prevent the Chinese from making their own deals with lesser Russian state mafia heads.
We'd simply be throwing our own interests in Europe under the bus on a whim that doing so would somehow fortify the Russian state against China. Putin has an obsessive hatred of the US that won't go away and giving in to him wouldn't forestall Chinese influence in Russia of the kind you describe. It would in fact strengthen it, as Russia is likely to be reduced to a Chinese client state in any case and if so, it's better that Russia not come along with Europe and an even further weakened US.
You’re full of chit and have no idea what you are talking about. ‘Fighting hard’ as a third party carries little weight in anything. It can be argued that it was none of our business anyways. We shouldn’t be the world’s cop, which forcibly confiscates tax dollars to murder people all in the quest for never ending wars. I don’t give a damn about Ukraine or Russia. Neither pose any threat to our homeland. Our trade with both is nearly nil. Both are corrupt to the core. Both have no history of democracy. If this is a problem for anyone, it would be Europe. It’s time for Europe to pay for their own damn defense. We shouldn’t be financing Europe’s socialist utopia by defending them. The first major foreign policy/military change Trump should make in 2025 is withdrawing from NATO. The second is pulling out of the UN and kicking the UN out of the U.S.
I will not support any Republican that supports Ukraine. Period.
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Exactly, ALL of Congress supported senile Joe’s ineffective and dangerous vaxs. They even went further supporting mandates and the economic shut downs.
NOW, they support a war that has no strategic value to the US. The Ukie war is further bankrupting the US, weakening our military, and will in the end destroy US hegemony.
The Democrat’s Russian Derangement Syndrome must STOP. Why is our Congress comitting suicide?
The rational that I hear most is that if we don’t stop the Russians now, they will continue to annex other countries, and eventually we will be drawn into fighting them. It sounds to me like another “Domino Theory”.\, Like the one that sucked my young ignorant dupa into a war 50 years ago.
Screw that.
Japan attacks pearl harbor
the south fires on ft Sumter
biden - liberals take on russia
oh oh
Yeah, sign me up for that...
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