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To: Az Joe

Yes the neocons are the problem (please define neocon and while you are at it neo-nazi)
Putin and Russia prior to 2022 invasion and 2014 invasion were trading quite profitably with the west, has had NATO on their border for years(no attacks), NATO itself was pretty disjointed and underfunded (just ask Trump who tried to change that),no talk of Sweden or Finland joining NATO, Putin and his elites were getting rich, not so much the general public esp east of Moscow, but that is not the result of anything the west was doing but how the Russian system “worked”
Ukraine was not a credible military threat to Russia, if you want to bring up Donbas…. Well don’t invade and conveniently forget Russian treatment of Georgia and Chechnya.
Putins invasion may have been linked to bad intel and information all around, greeted like liberators, Russian military is goodntongonand will roll…., but in the end it was putins desires for a greater Russia that is the cause

Everything and I mean everything Putin stated as goals has failed and failed miserably

3 day invasion failed, Ukraine regime change failed(may end up being Russian regime change), 2nd greatest military, fail, stopping NATO expansion, fail, demilitarization of Ukraine, fail expansion of Russia and more power in the world, fail, expansion of control of natural resources(power over the world), fail
Military equipment exports, fail(well except for what they have donated to Ukraine)
Economy failing and dependence on west for critical parts exposed, another fail
But hey they have Iran, syria(mostly) and Hungary on their side so guess that is a positive

Well done Putin, guess you were a neocon(still don’t know what that means but threw it in because everyone else does )operative after all


7 posted on 06/29/2023 4:40:40 AM PDT by blitz128
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To: blitz128

Good points.


13 posted on 06/29/2023 5:44:55 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: blitz128

Blah ba blah ba blahhhhhh

go away bloody neocon


20 posted on 06/29/2023 7:26:05 AM PDT by Az Joe (Live free or die)
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To: blitz128

Neocons are both Republican and Democrat globalist policy leaders who believe that the US military, intelligence, soldiers and tax dollars should be used around the globe to overthrow governments and install puppets so that the oligarchs who fund and support the Neocons can make more money on their global investments. Examples are Victoria Nuland, Lindsay Graham, John McCain, Mitt Romney, Obama, Susan Rice, Biden, GW Bush, Dick and Liz Cheney, etc...

Neo-nazis are soldiers or activists who wear swastikas, “black suns” or other 3rd Reich symbolism on their uniforms. Examples can be found throughout the Ukraine military.

I hope this clears things up for you.

Our Neocons fomented a coup in Ukraine and installed a puppet government in 2014? Do you deny that?


22 posted on 06/29/2023 8:57:23 AM PDT by nitzy (I wonder if the telescreens in 1984 were first called "free Obamascreens")
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