Posted on 06/30/2023 8:38:14 AM PDT by Navy Patriot
The Biden administration is considering a plan to send cluster munitions to Ukraine to assist with Kyiv's counteroffensive against Russia, according to two U.S. officials and a person in familiar with the talks.
In recent days, the discussion, which involves sending dual-purpose, improved conventional munitions has been growing while Ukraine's efforts against Russia have stalled, but as of late last year the administration was saying it had concerns about delivering the weapons because of humanitarian reasons and because it was not yet determined whether Ukraine needed them at that time, reports Politico.
However, the sources said the administration's debate about the weapons has grown during Ukraine's difficulties with the counteroffensive, and now, some officials are saying the administration is closer to agreeing on the cluster munitions at any other point since the Russian invasion.
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That is truly sick. Speaking for Jesus is sick. You need to remove that.
Are we going to start making them again, and quickly? And in a configuration that the Ukes can readily use and deploy?
My understanding is that we have very little of them in our inventory and what we have needs planes to deliver it. Do the Ukes have enough air power or air defense to deploy planes over where they would drop these cluster munitions effectively? Or do we have allies with loads of them that we can arm-twist to send theirs?
Tlozo is just illuminating his character for all to see.
You related to Lindsey Graham?
I suspect that Russia will return the favor and also send Cluster Bombs to Ukraine, particularly the places where NATO operatives are located.
Pretty sure it won’t work out the way the Swamp thinks it will.
You are pure excrement.
Remember that missile that permanently closed the Pizza Parlor?
That.
The Convention on Cluster Munitions (CCM) prohibits under any circumstances the use, development, production, acquisition, stockpiling and transfer of cluster munitions, as well as the assistance or encouragement of anyone to engage in prohibited activities.
Russia has long been using Cluster bombs in Ukraine and Ukraine might even have used some, they are deliverable with artillery.
The neo-con chicken hawks will not be happy until they get us into a nuclear disaster.
The cluster munition attack with the highest known civilian casualties occurred on April 8, 2022, when Russia launched a Tochka-U ballistic missile equipped with a cluster munition warhead at a crowded train station in the eastern city of Kramatorsk as hundreds of people were trying to leave the area. A detailed Human Rights Watch investigation found that the attack killed at least 58 civilians and injured over 100 others.[14]
The following cluster munition attacks since May 2022 were predominately undertaken by Russian forces and demonstrate civilian harm from these weapons.[15]
Russian armed forces used cluster munition rockets in attacks on Kharkiv city and nearby areas in Kharkivska region in May 2022 according to an investigation by Human Rights Watch.[16] Two volunteers were wounded on May 12 when a cluster munition rocket pierced the roof of a cultural center in Derhachi, near Kharkiv city. Two civilians about a kilometer away were killed, at around the same time, by submunitions – possibly from the same rocket. On May 23, a cluster munition attack struck a maternity clinic in Kharkiv city, wounding a man at a bus stop outside the clinic.
Ukrainian armed forces reportedly used cluster munitions in attacks on Izium city, Kharkivska region, between March and September 2022, when it was controlled by Russian armed forces, according to the Independent Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine.[17] The commission provided three examples illustrating this use of cluster munitions in Izium: a May 9, 2022 an attack on a residential area that killed three people and injured six; a July 14, 2022 attack on the central market that injured two older women; and, a July 16, 2022 attack on a residential area that killed two older persons.
Uragan cluster munition rocket attacks by Russian forces on the city of Sloviansk on June 27, 2022 killed a man and wounded three other civilians, according to Agence France Presse.[18]
Russian armed forces used cluster munitions in an attack on city of Kryvyi Rih in Dnipropetrovska region on July 9, 2022, killing two civilian women and wounding a civilian man, according to a statement by the Dnipropetrovska region Prosecutor’s Office.[19]
A Russian attack using Uragan cluster munition rockets killed a 70-year-old man and wounded two civilian women in an apartment building in Chuhuiv city, Kharkivska region on August 3, 2022, according to local authorities.[20]
A cluster munition rocket attack by Russian forces reportedly killed two civilians and wounded 12 others near a public transportation stop in Mykolaiv on September 29, 2022, according to local authorities.[21]
Russian armed forces used cluster munitions rockets in at least three attacks on Kherson city in November 2022, according to Human Rights Watch.[22] One attack wounded three people as they were walking down a city street on November 21.
An Uragan cluster munition rocket attack by Russian forces on the town of Hirnyk, Donetska region on December 12 killed two civilians and wounded 10 more, according to the Prosecutor General’s Office.[23]
Russian forces fired Uragan cluster munition rockets near the central market in the town of Konstyantynivka in Donetska region on March 18, 2023, wounding at least six civilians, according to the region’s governor.[24] That same day, Russian forces used cluster munitions in an attack on the city of Kramatorsk, which killed at least two people and wounded eight.[25]
A Russian cluster munition attack on the village of Malokaterynivka in eastern Ukraine on May 10 wounded eight people including three emergency medical workers, according to the governor of Zaporizka region.[26]
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The Ukrainians fired that missile and the people killed were pro-Russians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kramatorsk_railway_station_attack
Initially, Russian state media and pro-Russian telegram channels claimed successful Russian airstrikes on a military transport target in Kramatorsk. After it became clear that the missiles had killed civilians, however, earlier reports were redacted, the Russian government denied responsibility for the attack, and the Russian Ministry of Defence characterized it as a Ukrainian hoax.
A fake video clip with a mock BBC logo, attributing blame to the Ukrainian forces, circulated through pro-Russian telegram channels since 10 April. The video was also aired on Russian state television. The BBC has not produced any such video.
The Russian Ministry of Defence claimed that the missiles were launched by Ukrainian forces from the city of Dobropillia, southwest of Kramatorsk.
Russian media also said that the serial number of the missile was in the same range as one used by Ukrainian forces. Serial numbers cannot be used to prove which side fired the missile, however, since all Tochka-U’s were manufactured at a single site in Russia and distributed from there across the Soviet Union. As a result, there was, for example, a close serial number match between a Tochka-U used by Russia in Syria and one used by Ukraine in Snizhne. Moreover, both Russia and Ukraine have made extensive use of munitions captured from the other side.
Assessment of the Russian response
The Russian Ministry of Defense claimed that their forces no longer use Tochka-U missiles. However, Amnesty International, the investigative journalists of the Conflict Intelligence Team, and a number of military experts had already reported the use of Tochkas by Russian forces in multiple parts of Ukraine prior to the strike on Kramatorsk.[47] Moreover, investigators from the open-source Belarusian Hajun Project had published videos of several Russian trucks with Tochka missiles heading from Belarus to Ukraine with ‘V’ markings on 5 March and 30 March.[48] The Institute for the Study of War assessed that the Russian 8th Guards Combined Arms Army, which is active in the Donbas area, is equipped with Tochka-U missiles.[49] Russian news reports and social media footage showed the 47th Missile Brigade, part of Russia’s 8th Combined Arms Army, displaying Tochka-U missiles at public events in 2021, including at the Victory Day parade in Krasnodar.
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