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Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson's glaring error in her dissent on affirmative action
Hotair ^ | 07/06/2023 | John Sexton

Posted on 07/06/2023 9:16:21 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: sonjay

correction: 20 divided 60 = 0.333333 not .08. That was a ypto.


21 posted on 07/07/2023 5:09:09 AM PDT by sonjay
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To: SeekAndFind

3% of the American populus is Asian heritage. Yet, 19 percent of Harvard admissions is Asians and it is estimated that if admissions were based solely on academic merit, 41% of admissions would be Asians. That is the way it should be in a true constitutional color blind merit based society. The US populus is over 60% white. Yet, only 43% of Harvard students are white. I had to chuckle at the brief by the Asian plaintiff in the Harvard case. Part of it boiled down to if you are going to discriminate in favor of black and brown preference, we have no objection so long as you take if from the white tribe not the Asian tribe. With friends like these to throw your tribe under the bus, who needs enemies! lol


22 posted on 07/07/2023 5:11:00 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: alexander_busek
Or look at it from the other direction.

99.6839% - 99.5549% = 0.1290%

0.1290 / 99.5549 = 0.0012958

So the survival rate with a black doc is only 1.0013x higher than with a white doc.



I'm gonna go with your points a) and b) likely both being correct. A sample size of only 775 babies will result in one baby being that 0.129% difference.
23 posted on 07/07/2023 5:27:38 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: sonjay
NOT 1.41% higher.

A quibble, but that should be "41%" higher. Now, to the "meat" of your reasoning:

If you administer a procedure (operation, vaccination, pill, or what-have-you) to literally millions of people, and then subsequently notice that, say, 100 people died when the procedure was administered by a Black, but that 141 people died when administered by a White, then the race of the medical personnel is clearly a MAJOR factor. (This assumes that a multi-variant analysis was made and other possible variables - like the fact that Black physicians might tend to prefer to work in high-income neighborhoods, while White physicians might actually seek out ghettos, etc.)

Don't wish to get into an argument with you; just pointing out that my math and my logic are correct.

Dividing the difference in mortality rate by the overall survival rate (which is nearly UNITY) is mathematically possible, but yields a meaningless result.

Would like to know what the actual absolute numbers were.

Regards,

24 posted on 07/07/2023 5:37:03 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: SeekAndFind

These liberal dissents are weak in legal substance and are essentially political advocacy statements.


25 posted on 07/07/2023 5:41:45 AM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment
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To: Svartalfiar
So the survival rate with a black doc is only 1.0013x higher than with a white doc.

Don't dispute your math - just your logic.

Extremes might make it more obvious:

Imagine administering a procedure on 8 billion human beings (the pop. of the planet).

An indefinite number of White people die (in this example, we aren't interested in their fates).

Of the Black people, one hundred die.

Sixty of the Black people died under the care of a White physician, the other 40 under the care of a Black physician (we assume that the differing number of Black vs. White physicians has been controlled for - in our example, we can pretend that there were an equal no. of Black and White physicians).

Wouldn't you be extremely curious about the differing mortalities (disaggregated by race)?

Or would you really simply "divide by the total rate of survival?" After all, literally billions survived the procedure!

Again, don't want to "lock horns" with you. But I sincerely believe that, after a little reflection, you'll agree with me.

I maintain that the observed difference in the real-world study is probably attributable to OTHER FACTORS (incl. small sample size, as you point out).

Regards,

26 posted on 07/07/2023 5:46:32 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: alexander_busek

I always find that the use of “simple stats” is nothing but a tool to distort truth, things are usually more complex. Same with the “wage gap”.

I could see a study with some numbers like:

Block doctors: 1 in 1000 black babies die
White doctors: 2 in 1000 black babies die

So, “twice as many babies died in the hands of white doctors vs. black doctors”. It would be an absurd basis for anything though, as this is a single study with a limited sample size and would fall into the margin of error & is statistical noise.

But that is what the left always does with “simple stats”. Anytime you hear them, just scratch the surface, just a little, and it falls apart. Remember the Roe vs Wade argument? That “back alley abortions kill xxxx women per year!”...yeah, they admit they just pulled the number out of their a**.

It’s disturbing when a SC justice does it though, it’ll be repeated ad-nauseam.


27 posted on 07/07/2023 6:10:56 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: chuckee

RE:3% of the American populus is Asian heritage. Yet, 19 percent of Harvard admissions is Asians and it is estimated that if admissions were based solely on academic merit, 41% of admissions would be Asians

Tellme about it. One of the most competitiveHigh Schools in New York City — Stuyvesant High School ( where an entrance exam is required) is close to 40% Asian !

And it’s gotten so skewed towards Asians in UCLA that people have taken to calling it University of Caucasians Lost Among Asians :)


28 posted on 07/07/2023 7:22:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Steely Tom

Affirmative action on full display. Watch the VP or Transportation Secretary for more examples.


29 posted on 07/07/2023 7:53:12 AM PDT by Hipshot 6 (Hipshot 6, Out)
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To: alexander_busek
Again, don't want to "lock horns" with you. But I sincerely believe that, after a little reflection, you'll agree with me.

With the given information, there isn't much right or wrong. Without knowing the actual sample size, 40 vs 60 could be just statistical noise. Or 0.13% vs 41% could be a significant variation.
30 posted on 07/07/2023 8:34:50 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: SeekAndFind

She is a very stupid woman. Worse is she believes she is brilliant. Sotomayor is another moron but not quite as stupid as Brown. Kagen, unfortunately, is smart but a ruthless marxist and the most dangerous one of the feminazi brigade.


31 posted on 07/07/2023 9:07:21 AM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: HYPOCRACY

F.O. and die grammar douchebag. The subject is bot grammar, it is simple math. But obviously your IQ is not high enough to comprehend that.


32 posted on 07/07/2023 2:03:46 PM PDT by entropy12 (Career politician DeSantis is there to build wealth. Trump is there to lose wealth to serve people.)
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