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'Deadly cluster weapons banned in 108 countries' to be sent to Ukraine troops by US
Express ^ | July 7, 2023 | Tim McNulty

Posted on 07/07/2023 1:48:13 PM PDT by Republicans 2016 2020

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To: Waverunner

Actually, Ukraine needs a philosophy. One that does not involve nazi worship and ethnic cleansing.


41 posted on 07/07/2023 2:47:36 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Republicans 2016 2020

I suspect the Russians might retaliate with their cluster weapons ....MIRVs.


42 posted on 07/07/2023 2:47:58 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Biden not only suffers fools and criminals, he appoints them to positions of responsibility. )
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To: DesertRhino

Well huh.
Artillery-delivered cluster munitions.
What an idea!


43 posted on 07/07/2023 2:48:01 PM PDT by grobdriver (The CDC can KMA!)
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To: Republicans 2016 2020

We need to send the Nazis in Ukraine nukes. That will stop the war dead in its tracks. /s


44 posted on 07/07/2023 2:50:48 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Delay Trump’s trial, delay. Elect Trump President. Trump pardons himself.)
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To: Republicans 2016 2020

Oh oh. Sounds like the far-left turd rollers are turning on their boyz, Bidenskyyyyy and Zelenskyyyyy. Once the turd rollers start with that dumbass Geneva Convention crap you can chalk another one up for the bad guys.


45 posted on 07/07/2023 2:58:59 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (A man in NM is killed over a movie theater seat. The azhos in The Swamp think guns are the problem. )
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To: for-q-clinton

Another small step down the road to WW III, Europe will be the battleground but—it will spread to the Middle East, South America and Africa. (Perhaps Asia too? Korea and Viet Name if not the Pacific Ocean. I think it may go to Alaska too. The war will come here as well. We do not need a world war. Give peace a chance. We can send men and tanks to Ukraine and Poland. But how about Venezuela, Namibia, Angola and South Africa? Fight Chinese drones in Vietnam and human waves in Korea? No, this war we might lose. best to never fight the thing. VOTE FOR DONALD “Peacemaker” TRUMP!


46 posted on 07/07/2023 2:59:36 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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To: DesertRhino
Seems like you just laid out their philosophy.
What we need are journalists who will report on it.
Oh wait, it's to insure the protection of democracy on the planet that is being destroyed by global warming.
BTW what's the total carbon footprint of combat operations in Ukraine to date?
Do your part, buy an electric SUV and get rid of your gas stove.

47 posted on 07/07/2023 3:03:14 PM PDT by Waverunner
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To: Reverend Wright
“Do we provide small slices of any invaded nation to the invader? Is this about Serbia and Kosovo?"

Sir, that was very UNFAIR < sarc > of you to notice any historical precedent, because there are NONE when today's neo-cons and new liberal order types declare there to be none. Winston Smith observes for us, "Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past...."

The attempts to take the moral high ground by some fail to note the irony that "taking the high ground" is itself a military strategy.

As to strategy, one thinks about Hamburger Hill, of which "US command ordered its capture by a frontal assault, only to abandon it soon thereafter." And then we abandoned Saigon from the roof of the embassy. Moral high ground in 1969. Moral high ground in "1984." Moral high ground today. Hmm.

48 posted on 07/07/2023 3:04:31 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Republicans 2016 2020

You want to end this senseless war? Three munitions, a ten megaton airburst at a thousand feet over Moscow, Stalingrad and Leningrad. War’s over boys. Why just continue to dick around sending billions of dollars worth of our needed munitions? The Moderator will probably ban me! I shouldn’t have wrote that, but I did. Peace please come soon.


49 posted on 07/07/2023 3:07:44 PM PDT by kawhill (kawhill)
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To: Republicans 2016 2020
Notably, former White House press secretary Jen Psaki previously condemned Russian use of such munitions in the war as a possible war crime. In a February 2022 press briefing, Psaki field a question as to the legality of Moscow's use of the weapons.

"There are reports of illegal cluster bombs and vacuum bombs being used by the Russians," the reporter stated. "If that’s true, what is the next step of this administration? And is there a red line for how much violence will be tolerated against civilians in this manner that’s illegal and potentially a war crime?"

"It is — it would be. I don’t have any confirmation of that. We have seen the reports. If that were true, it would potentially be a war crime," Psaki replied at the time. "Obviously, there are a range of international fora that would assess that. So, certainly, we would look to that to be a part of that conversation."

50 posted on 07/07/2023 3:08:00 PM PDT by The Iceman Cometh (Casey DeSantis? No thanks. I've already voted for too many Bushes.)
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To: for-q-clinton
Prolonging the war by doing piece meal weapons is the most unethical way to go about this.

I shouldn't have to say this: the Biden Administration has no ethics.

51 posted on 07/07/2023 3:09:57 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: chuckb87

I was just wondering why they don’t extend their logic to full scale nuclear war.

War pigs.


52 posted on 07/07/2023 3:11:12 PM PDT by Phoenix8
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

If we use them, we should expect to receive them. Period. I don’t expect if “WE” are using them that “WE” will complain about getting them, and that is how it should be.

I don’t understand the last line of your post: “Cheer yours, when “they” are on the receving end. Complain about theirs, when “we” are on the receiving end. That’s how we do it. Did it. Will continue to do it.”

Can you show me where the United States used “banned” munitions and then complained when they were used against us? Perhaps there is a case out there that I have forgotten or am unfamiliar with, and that context if you can remind me, would be valuable.


53 posted on 07/07/2023 3:17:06 PM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: NorthMountain

From the Journalism Redundancy School of Redundant Journalism.


54 posted on 07/07/2023 3:19:32 PM PDT by mykroar (what is extraordinarily important is this—who will count the votes, and how. - J0eStalin)
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To: Republicans 2016 2020

I predict these munitions will be used against civilians in Donetsk and Luhansk.


55 posted on 07/07/2023 3:22:45 PM PDT by silverleaf (It's not propaganda just because you disagree with it. )
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To: Republicans 2016 2020

Russia uses their cluster munitions and white phosphorous on Ukrainian civilians; Ukraine will use US cluster munitions on Russian troops.

PSST: they degrade after a specific time.

Where’s the outrage about Russia’s use of cluster munitions on civilians?


56 posted on 07/07/2023 3:25:55 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Phoenix8
"War pigs"

Ozzie wrote a song about it.

57 posted on 07/07/2023 3:26:10 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (The South will be in the right in the next war of Northern aggression.)
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To: rlmorel
--- "Can you show me where the United States used 'banned' munitions and then complained when they were used against us? Perhaps there is a case out there that I have forgotten or am unfamiliar with, and that context if you can remind me, would be valuable."

Very legalistic of you, sir. Do you mean banned NOW or banned because they should never have been allowed / developed. And only when used against us? But not when used against others? You quite as clever as "special" Jack Smith.

Review the entire Wiki on the topic. Russia's mentioned. We're mentioned....

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_munition

Cluster bombs have not been used against the US yet. Give it time, alas. Given the allegations that weapons sent to Ukraine are sometimes going "through" Ukraine suggest things. We might discuss Agent Orange from the Vietnam experience, not that the youngsters would be learning about that. After all, no nation has as yet used Agent Orange on us.

58 posted on 07/07/2023 3:28:23 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Republicans 2016 2020

Well, they’re gonna be used to kill some ******g Russians so that makes it OK. /S


59 posted on 07/07/2023 3:28:49 PM PDT by OKSooner ("Oh, the mad fools!")
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Behind the scenes Biden is selling the $$$ and Weapons to Republicans in exchange for their commitment to oppose an Impeachment Inquiry.

Biden always starts out saying Never, and later comes around. We’ve seen Manchin use the Technique to get all kinds of stuff for his Vote.


60 posted on 07/07/2023 3:31:00 PM PDT by AnthonySoprano ( May 2023: I Guarantee McCarthy won’t allow Biden Impeachment to move forward )
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