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Secret US-Russia talks over Ukraine ‘not sanctioned by Biden administration’
The Guardian ^ | July 7, 2023 | Dan Sabbagh and David Smith

Posted on 07/07/2023 2:55:06 PM PDT by McGruff

Joe Biden’s administration did not sanction or support secret meetings that former top US national security officials held with the Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, and other Russians on potential talks to end the Ukraine war, the White House and state department have said.

“The Biden administration did not sanction those discussions,” a state department spokesperson said on Thursday. “And as we’ve said repeatedly, nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine.”

The spokesperson was referring to an administration policy of not discussing possible negotiations on ending the war without involving Ukrainian officials. He said the administration would continue providing weaponry to Kyiv so Ukrainian officials “can negotiate from a position of strength when they think the time is right”.

Former diplomats said the US did make use of former diplomats to conduct back-channel discussions, although this did not mean they would lead to more serious negotiations. Lavrov would be highly unlikely to meet retired US officials unless they had some link to official channels, they added.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: clusterbombdiplomacy; negotiations; putinbot
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1 posted on 07/07/2023 2:55:06 PM PDT by McGruff
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To: McGruff

Thank God. (Less the 10%)


2 posted on 07/07/2023 3:03:47 PM PDT by blackdog ((Z28.310) My dog Sam eats purple flowers.)
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To: McGruff; kiryandil

Word is the “former diplomats” conducting back-channel discussions are themselves neocons.


3 posted on 07/07/2023 3:06:35 PM PDT by cabojoe ( 🇺🇸 Stop Ukie censorship. Release Gonzalo Lira)
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To: McGruff

So...Biden held secret talks with Ruzzia.

I never believe something until a Democrat denies it.


4 posted on 07/07/2023 3:07:03 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: McGruff

Biden is only distancing himself in case it flops. They want an off ramp. Russia prevailed against NATO.


5 posted on 07/07/2023 3:12:59 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: McGruff
Neocons warn Biden White House, Don’t Let Ukraine Join NATO

The Duran on Rumble, 44 minutes.

6 posted on 07/07/2023 3:13:55 PM PDT by cabojoe ( 🇺🇸 Stop Ukie censorship. Release Gonzalo Lira)
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To: cabojoe

I read/heard Richard Haass, CFR, was involved.


7 posted on 07/07/2023 3:14:52 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: cabojoe

Thanks, cabojoe. Hopefully this is over.


8 posted on 07/07/2023 3:15:43 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: McGruff

If it appears here, it is probably not that secret.


9 posted on 07/07/2023 3:23:01 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Biden not only suffers fools and criminals, he appoints them to positions of responsibility. )
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To: JonPreston

✌️


10 posted on 07/07/2023 3:41:21 PM PDT by cabojoe ( 🇺🇸 Stop Ukie censorship. Release Gonzalo Lira)
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To: McGruff

a la John Kerry in Paris (Vietnam)


11 posted on 07/07/2023 3:42:43 PM PDT by elpadre (nd )
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To: McGruff

Translation: The saner neocons are looking for an off-ramp from this proxy war. They knew a hot war with Russia would be a disaster.


12 posted on 07/07/2023 3:44:59 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: McGruff

Sounds like the Uniparty is beginning to fracture on Ukraine. Have they finally realized how dangerously incompetent the children running the Biden regime are?


13 posted on 07/07/2023 3:45:14 PM PDT by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: cabojoe

new members must be invited by a consensus of existing NATO members.

plus they must satisfy:

1. New members must uphold democracy, which includes tolerating diversity.

2. New members must be in the midst of making progress toward a market economy.

3. The nations’ military forces must be under firm, civilian control.

4. The nations must be good neighbors and respect sovereignty outside their borders.

5. The nations must be working toward compatibility with NATO forces.

so, Ukraine fits the bill ?


14 posted on 07/07/2023 3:47:05 PM PDT by stylin19a (My therapist says narcissism has me misread social situations. I'm pretty sure she's hitting on me)
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To: stylin19a

Too bad it’s not Trump. He’s get things done. Biden can’t handle him getting the credit.


15 posted on 07/07/2023 3:56:16 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (e allowed )
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Scenario: 2024 gets stolen(again). Trump leaves the U.S. and becomes an IMMEDIATE citizen of Israel with Knesset approval. He can then negotiate an agreement between the adversaries. He still loves the US. Doesn’t mean it’s reciprocated.


16 posted on 07/07/2023 4:00:36 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (e allowed )
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To: McGruff

“The Biden administration did not sanction those discussions,”

Well, that’s a damn lie and everyone can see it’s a damn lie.


17 posted on 07/07/2023 4:30:55 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: stylin19a

You, disingenuously did not list the exclusions.


18 posted on 07/07/2023 5:07:45 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: McGruff

Joe Biden’s administration did not sanction or support secret meetings that former top US national security officials held with the Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, and other Russians on potential talks to end the Ukraine war, the White House and state department have said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
If true that’s excellent news because as long as Biden’s out of the picture something might get accomplished to bring that war to an end without more bloodshed.


19 posted on 07/07/2023 5:19:47 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (Current POPE and POTUS: corrupt, ignorant, paranoid, angry, deeply hateful, and deeply despised.)
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To: Mariner

Nice assumption but it wasn’t on purpose. I found a quick reference and posted it.


20 posted on 07/07/2023 5:32:29 PM PDT by stylin19a (My therapist says narcissism has me misread social situations. I'm pretty sure she's hitting on me)
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