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To: cowboyusa

I’m largely ambivalent re Israel, save for the considerable influence they play upon America. They are akin to the Ukraine in my view, and slightly worse than the insolent Western European countries. Israel runs its foreign and national policy independently for its own benefit- in the Biden administration there is not inconsiderable meddling but I support that as little as I do Israel boosterism- I merely want the USA to be free to do the same. Ron DeSantis signed a bill restricting the free speech rights of American citizens in Florida at the behest of dual loyalist donors- he signed it in Israel- which is staggeringly bad optics. Its true I dislike my nation being beholden to foreigners- but this is true for all of the multitude of entangling alliances and relationships. Israel is just one of many, if a more obvious and demanding one.


44 posted on 07/09/2023 7:58:16 PM PDT by mikegreenwell39
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To: mikegreenwell39

If President Trump manages to get re- elected, he will go back to being the most Pro- Israel President l ever, deal with it. Dual loyalty that is another antisemitic word.


45 posted on 07/09/2023 8:00:51 PM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! AMERICA FIRST! DEATH TO MARXISM AND GLOBALISM! )
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To: mikegreenwell39

“Ron DeSantis signed a bill restricting the free speech rights of American citizens in Florida at the behest of dual loyalist donors- he signed it in Israel”


That was an amazingly bad move.

What bothers me is people who think that the Gaza Wall is great, but the Trump Wall is racist.

Or the people who say America is on stolen land - give it back. But Israel should conquer and keep whatever it can.

It’s the same as leftist or NeoCons who allow things for themselves, but if anyone else does it they are bad.


63 posted on 07/09/2023 8:14:30 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: mikegreenwell39
“Ron DeSantis signed a bill restricting the free speech rights of American citizens in Florida at the behest of dual loyalist donors- he signed it in Israel- which is staggeringly bad optics.”

To which bill are you referring?

Any of these?

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2023/01/26/ron-desantis-wants-to-limit-free-speech-in-the-name-of-free-speech

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23550366/ron-desantis-first-amendment-free-speech-woke-academic-freedom-new-college-florida

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/05/09/florida-ron-desantis-public-union-restrictions-law-social-media-ban/70201770007/

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/09/1035687247/florida-anti-riot-law-ron-desantis-george-floyd-black-lives-matter-protests

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/29/politics/desantis-free-speech/index.html

80 posted on 07/09/2023 8:37:00 PM PDT by Chgogal (Welcome to Fuhrer Biden's Weaponized Fascist Banana Republic! It's the road to hell.)
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To: mikegreenwell39

The Ukraine isn’t the apple of God’s eye, Israel is.

Hosea 3:6 Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the LORD: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the LORD.

7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon. 8For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.
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And there’s God’s promise to Abraham and his descendants -

Genesis 26: 1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
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He didn’t sign a bill that restricted free speech. He signed one that protects the public and law enforcement from violent rioters though. There’s nothing in the bill that prevents people from speaking freely or protesting; they’re just not allowed to destroy property while doing so. We only have a right to peaceable assembly in the Constitution. There is no right to riot, to dox people or to vandalize.


85 posted on 07/09/2023 8:42:57 PM PDT by skr (Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people. - Proverbs 14:34)
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To: mikegreenwell39
I’m largely ambivalent re Israel

Christians can't be if they believe the Bible.

169 posted on 07/10/2023 7:55:46 AM PDT by itsahoot (Many Republicans are secretly Democrats, no Democrats are secretly Republicans. Dan Bongino.)
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