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Biden diminished Zelensky, fumbled the ball in NATO’s Vilnius meeting
The Hill ^ | 07/13/2023 | JONATHAN SWEET AND MARK TOTH

Posted on 07/13/2023 5:46:16 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

In Vilnius, Lithuania, NATO entered the critical fourth quarter of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s war of survival against Russia. President Joe Biden, unfortunately, fumbled the football.

Instead of strengthening Zelensky in the eyes of Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Kremlin cronies and talking heads, Biden in fact diminished Zelensky.

In his 2014 book “Duty: Memoirs of a Secretary at War,” former Defense Secretary Robert Gates wrote of then-Vice President Joe Biden, “I think he has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.” Even former President Barack Obama was reported to have said of Biden, “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to %%%% things up.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: biden; fjb; fumbled; jonathansweet; marktoth; nato; zelensky
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Biden fumbled his pudding and dropped it on Zelenskys head
1 posted on 07/13/2023 5:46:16 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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Good thing the Putin is about to die, the Russians are running out of tanks and missiles, and cannot even feed the untrained criminal conscritps who are dying in hordes before they even get to territory that the Ukes are rapidly pushing back.


2 posted on 07/13/2023 5:49:48 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Diminished, indeed.

3 posted on 07/13/2023 5:50:27 AM PDT by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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Zelensky’s war of survival against Russia.

Wow, have the propagandists changed their tune. A couple of months ago, Russia was going to splinter into pieces after being devastated by the strenght of the might NATO backed supplied and trained Ukrainian army.

4 posted on 07/13/2023 5:51:46 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I think everyone on Earth has Bidens number.
They all make allowances. Some other people are running things after all.


5 posted on 07/13/2023 5:52:04 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Good, maybe he pay attention to our border some day.


6 posted on 07/13/2023 5:52:08 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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“Good thing the Putin is about to die, the Russians are running out of tanks and missiles...”

************

And good thing all those sanctions are crippling the Russians. /sarc


7 posted on 07/13/2023 5:54:31 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Starboard

It will all happen per the ‘official narrative’ .... IF the USA just sends more $$ (so says President Tenpercentsky).


8 posted on 07/13/2023 6:03:09 AM PDT by Qiviut (I'm not out of control, I'm just not in their control. $hot $hills: Sod Off)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

So Biden has “Bidened” again. Who could have expected that?


9 posted on 07/13/2023 6:04:20 AM PDT by motor_racer ("We're gonna punish our enemies, and we're gonna reward our friends" - Barak Obama)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

“The Hill” has about as much veracity as Christopher Wray testifying in front of a House Oversight committee.


10 posted on 07/13/2023 6:08:13 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe (The woke were surprised by the reaction to the Bud Light fiasco. May there be many more surprises)
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And the authors completely dismissed/missed this bit, which should be the sound similar to a rattlesnake shaking its tail:

"British defense secretary Ben Wallace did not help when he suggested that “Ukraine needs to put more emphasis on thanking the west for its assistance,” and with comments such as, “Whether we like it or not, people want to see a bit of gratitude,” and concerning requests for military equipment, “You know, we’re not Amazon.”

Where he is coming from imho is that there is a concern about public sentiment, no matter what "polls" might claim.

Or more bluntly--the people Zelensky keeps castigating and demanding they hand over everything are NOT citizens (or maybe a better term--subjects) of Ukraine.

11 posted on 07/13/2023 6:15:49 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe (The woke were surprised by the reaction to the Bud Light fiasco. May there be many more surprises)
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“Biden fumbled his pudding and dropped it on Zelenskys head”

Either that or he prevented an escalation that effectively declared war on Russia.


12 posted on 07/13/2023 6:15:51 AM PDT by BobL (5W`5TAZQTWWQQWEWWWWWEEWWRQFGVFVAZAZFVFVAZFVFVFVVFVFVFVFVFVFVFVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEFVFVFVEEEEEEEEEEEEEFVVV)
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"Either that or he prevented an escalation that effectively declared war on Russia."

The authors of the article, or maybe those having them push out this drivel, are pretty obvious they want the latter.

13 posted on 07/13/2023 6:22:42 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe (The woke were surprised by the reaction to the Bud Light fiasco. May there be many more surprises)
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To: AndyJackson

Donald Rumsfeld famously observed that “you go to war with the army you have, not the army you want.” Ukraine has been trying to build the army they want on the fly, while under sustained attack. The West has been cruel and cynical, providing just enough military aid to keep their hopes up but not enough to win.


14 posted on 07/13/2023 6:27:14 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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The West has been cruel and cynical, providing just enough military aid to keep their hopes up but not enough to win.

They can't. The long term goal of the west is breakup of the Russian federation. That is an existential threat to Russia and therefore keeping NATO out of Ukraine and maintaining its access to warm water ports [Crimea] are existential requirements. For Russia this is total war. The US/NATO cannot commit the assets to win a total war against thw world's most modern and capable nuclear power, because for the west this is a limited war action. The west can do just fine without Ukraine.

It's a must win for Russia, and of marginal importance for the west. The west loses. You don't fight wars like this.

15 posted on 07/13/2023 6:32:07 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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not enough to win

"enough to win" (US aircraft shooting at Russians) could have dangerous consequences for the world.

16 posted on 07/13/2023 6:36:32 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Re-imagine the media!)
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To: BobL

I think the Brits were/are hot to return the lads to the Crimea….but Germany and France refused to play. Between them they probably have a week’s worth of ammunition left in their stockpiles

Whatever they say, NATO is no-go without Germany and its pocket pet, Macron


17 posted on 07/13/2023 6:39:55 AM PDT by silverleaf (It's not propaganda just because you disagree with it. )
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I think it was step in the right direction.
What is NATOs policy? An attack on one is an attack on all of us.
If Ukraine was a NATO member we, and all the other NATO members would be obgliged to declare war on Russia.
WWIII??
Is that what we want??

Even if it didn’t go nuclear immediately we are giving away our stockpiles of weapons.
Leaving us vunerable .
Crazy.


18 posted on 07/13/2023 6:42:51 AM PDT by Vinnie ( L g Brandon)
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To: hinckley buzzard

It’s been pointed out by Col MacGregor and other military trained and experienced analysts that the West has given Zaluzhny the equivalent of 3 armies…the third and latest now being mauled and destroyed on a daily basis, both Uke soldiers dying 1,000 per day, and Western armor burning on the steppes


19 posted on 07/13/2023 6:45:27 AM PDT by silverleaf (It's not propaganda just because you disagree with it. )
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How many times, on FR alone, has Russia run out of munitions and how many cancers has Putin died from?

The only thing I have taken from this is I read Propaganda by Bernays and reread The True Believer by Hoffer.


20 posted on 07/13/2023 7:01:22 AM PDT by EEGator
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