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British Foreign Secretary James Cleverly has a message for Republicans who want to turn their backs on Ukraine: America is at its strongest when it embraces the world
Daily Mail ^ | July 19, 2023 | Rob Crilly

Posted on 07/19/2023 11:34:40 PM PDT by Angelino97

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To: Angelino97

“So blood must be spilled for the economy’s sake.”

Yeah, but we are talking way more than “keeping inflation under 5%” we are talking a complete, comprehensive financial implosion that would make the great depression look like a picnic. It would destabilise both America and the west in general and China would certainly seize the opportunity to leapfrog the US by every metric and reshape the world in their image.


81 posted on 07/20/2023 4:12:37 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: kabar

The US has already given a very dangerous impression of having no resolve by abandoning Afghanistan to the Taliban in such indecent haste. It cannot afford to lose even more face by supporting Ukraine and then allowing a pathetic nation like Russia, a nation with a gdp less than Italy’s to crush it and then expect China, whose economy and military is approaching parity with the US, to be intimidated by American threats over Taiwan and it’s ridiculous territorial claims over the South China Sea. Prestige matters, especially when dealing with countries like China that are obsessed with face and will view a country that is willing to lose it as weak.


82 posted on 07/20/2023 4:21:47 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

You can’t unring a bell. Do you have confidence in the Biden national security team, i.e., Biden, Blinken, Sullivan, Nuland, Powers, Austin, etc.? I don’t. We have a compromised, corrupt, illegitimate, feeble President surrounded by fools and knaves.

I can’t endorse the policies of this Administration. They got us into this mess starting in 2014. They double down on stupid. We have a new Cold War and we are sleepwalking our way into a direct confrontation with Russia, a nuclear power over this proxy war, which we can’t afford and weakens us. Biden calls for regime change in Russia and Austin says the objective is to weaken Russia militarily so they won’t do this again. And how do you negotiate with someone you label as a war criminal?

Biden has invested so much personally in this war. Maybe he is influenced by the bribes he and his son have received. What will a desperate Biden, Blinken, Sullivan, Nuland, et.al., do when it becomes apparent that Ukraine can’t win. Further escalation? More attacks on Russian infrastructure like the Nordstream pipelines, the bridge connecting Crimea to Russia, drone attacks against the Kremlin, more cluster bombs, etc.? With a Presidential election coming up next year, how will Biden deal with the growing liability of the Ukraine war? Or fissures in NATO as many Europeans have grown increasingly less supportive of the war and want to end it sooner rather than later? Macron and Scholz are dealing with rising domestic opposition to the war. Hungary and Turkey are already outliers on the war.

You talk about restoring our prestige after Afghanistan and sending a message to the real existential threat, China. Too late. Our woke military has been exposed and recruitment and retention problems are well known. We are low on ammunition and other war stocks because of Ukraine. It will take years to replenish our stocks. Chinese spy balloons transit our country. China is setting up a base in Cuba. The war in Ukraine has caused a global political realignment including driving the Russians and China closer together.

You go to war with the leaders who got you there. Until the Biden Crime Family is removed from power, the prestige of the US will continue to decline. And more importantly, it is getting more dangerous for us as a nation. What is the exit strategy? What does winning mean? What are our red lines? How much money must we borrow to keep this war going?


83 posted on 07/20/2023 6:17:21 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Angelino97

America embraced the world when America was at its strongest.


84 posted on 07/20/2023 6:26:53 PM PDT by x
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Austin says the objective is to weaken Russia militarily so they won’t do this again.

The Neocons are weakening America to weaken Russia.

Kinda like World War One, when both sides thought they'd win by attrition. In the end, both sides ended the war severely weakened.

And after Round Two, even the "victors" lost their colonial empires, tanked their economies, and never recovered.

85 posted on 07/20/2023 10:23:23 PM PDT by Angelino97
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To: Angelino97

Two scorpions in a bottle.


86 posted on 07/20/2023 10:50:08 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Red6

Thank you for your excellent comment. You nailed it. Your comment was the focus of dinner conversation between my wife and I last evening. We agree with everything you say. Thanks again, man!


87 posted on 07/21/2023 1:25:59 AM PDT by Rocco DiPippo
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