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No job other than President for Vivek Ramaswamy
The Pioneer ^ | Sunday, August 27 2023 | Press Trust of India

Posted on 08/27/2023 7:21:11 PM PDT by Jyotishi

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To: Jyotishi
The Indians also tried to teach the West the art of burning widowed women alive, a practice called sati. India had slavery plus the fine art of burning unfortunate women alive.

Sati or suttee was a historical practice in which a widow sacrifices herself by sitting atop her deceased husband's funeral pyre. Although it is debated whether it received scriptural mention in early Hinduism, it has been linked to related Hindu practices in the Indo-Aryan-speaking regions of India which diminished the rights of women, especially those to the inheritance of property. A cold form of sati, or the neglect and casting out of Hindu widows, has been prevalent from ancient times. Greek sources from around 300 BCE make isolated mention of sati, but it probably developed into a real fire sacrifice in the medieval era within the northwestern Rajput clans to which it initially remained limited, to become more widespread during the late medieval era.

During the early-modern Mughal period of 1526–1857, it was notably associated with elite Hindu Rajput clans in western India, marking one of the points of divergence between Hindu Rajputs and the Muslim Mughals, who banned the practice. In the early 19th century, the British East India Company, in the process of extending its rule to most of India, initially tolerated the practice; William Carey, a British Christian evangelist, noted 438 incidents within a 30-mile (48-km) radius of the capital, Calcutta, in 1803, despite its ban within Calcutta. Between 1815 and 1818 the number of incidents of sati in Bengal doubled from 378 to 839. Opposition to the practice of sati by evangelists like Carey, and by Hindu reformers such as Ram Mohan Roy ultimately led the British Governor-General of India Lord William Bentinck to enact the Bengal Sati Regulation, 1829, declaring the practice of burning or burying alive of Hindu widows to be punishable by the criminal courts. Other legislation followed, countering what the British perceived to be interrelated issues involving violence against Hindu women, including the Hindu Widows’ Remarriage Act, 1856, Female Infanticide Prevention Act, 1870, and Age of Consent Act, 1891. Ram Mohan Roy observed that when women allow themselves to be consigned to the funeral pyre of a deceased husband it results not just “from religious prejudices only”, but, “also from witnessing the distress in which widows of the same rank in life are involved, and the insults and slights to which they are daily subject.”
Here are some historical images, celebrating the fine art of a woman burning by Hindus.


21 posted on 08/27/2023 8:05:58 PM PDT by wildcard_redneck (The Forever War is a crime against humanity)
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To: wildcard_redneck

The Indian way of life provides the vision of the natural, real way of life. We veil ourselves with unnatural masks. On the face of India are the tender expressions which carry the mark of the Creator’s hand.

— George Bernard Shaw, Irish playwright


22 posted on 08/27/2023 8:14:02 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: DoughtyOne

It’s time to amend the Constitution and strengthen the requirements to run for President.
- Minimum of four years in the military

- Minimum of four years in an executive position in government (Governor, County Executive, or Mayor)
- Minimum of four years in business or private sector

And raise the age to be President to be 50.


23 posted on 08/27/2023 8:16:01 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Jyotishi

https://www.pdsoros.org/meet-the-fellows/vivek-ramaswamy


24 posted on 08/27/2023 8:16:42 PM PDT by Ms. AntiFeminazi
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To: politicket

Have you lived in India? Or you are regurgitating some article you read somewhere? I have lived there for my first 20 years of life. I know that country better than any American who has never lived there.

But I should not bother with low IQ people who have not traveled much. Unlike me, you have not visited every country in Europe, dozen countries in Asia, every country in North and central America and every country in Caribbean sea.

You remind me of the frog who lived in a well and thought he knew the whole world. Why don’t you try to stop looting of stores in USA or the homeless camps in many cities, or the burning down of businesses by BLM?


25 posted on 08/27/2023 8:21:31 PM PDT by entropy12 (Career politicians like Deasantis build wealth. Trump sacrificed his wealth to serve people.)
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To: wildcard_redneck

Better than being raped by enemy soldiers? Or rape is no big deal in your pin head?


26 posted on 08/27/2023 8:22:25 PM PDT by entropy12 (Career politicians like Deasantis build wealth. Trump sacrificed his wealth to serve people.)
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To: Jyotishi

THIS ‘Candidate” had better come forth with correct & exact info about when HIS parents became US citizens & when/where he was born.

I am getting more convinced each & every day that we have a Hindu version of Obama on our hands.

I DO NOT believe he is NAtural Born Citizen.


27 posted on 08/27/2023 8:26:44 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I wish you luck with that pipe dream.


28 posted on 08/27/2023 8:27:06 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Get out of the matrix and get a real life.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

truly the first picture I seen of the guy.. THAT is a lot of forehead!!


29 posted on 08/27/2023 8:27:27 PM PDT by sit-rep
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To: entropy12

The CASTE system is slavery in another form.


30 posted on 08/27/2023 8:27:38 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles; entropy12

Caste

Hinduism Today Magazine
September 1, 1994

Last month, two ardent Hindus battled out the controversial pros and cons of caste. This month’s assessment, from Europe, focuses on history and how jati and varna have, for the most part, helped rather than hurt Hinduism.

By Prof. Koenraad Elst

In an inter-faith debate, most Hindus can easily be put on the defensive with a single word-caste. Any anti-Hindu polemist can be counted on to allege that “the typically Hindu caste system is the most cruel apartheid, imposed by the barbaric white Aryan invaders on the gentle dark-skinned natives.” Here’s a more balanced and historical account of this controversial institution.

Merits of the Caste System

The caste system is often portrayed as the ultimate horror. Inborn inequality is indeed unacceptable to us moderns, but this does not preclude that the system has also had its merits.

Caste is perceived as an “exclusion-from,” but first of all it is a form of “belonging-to,” a natural structure of solidarity. For this reason, Christian and Muslim missionaries found it very difficult to lure Hindus away from their communities. Sometimes castes were collectively converted to Islam, and Pope Gregory XV (1621-23) decreed that the missionaries could tolerate caste distinction among Christian converts; but by and large, caste remained an effective hurdle to the destruction of Hinduism through conversion. That is why the missionaries started attacking the institution of caste and in particular the brahmin caste. This propaganda has bloomed into a full-fledged anti-brahminism, the Indian equivalent of anti-Semitism.

Every caste had a large measure of autonomy, with its own judiciary, duties and privileges, and often its own temples. Inter-caste affairs were settled at the village council by consensus; even the lowest caste had veto power. This autonomy of intermediate levels of society is the antithesis of the totalitarian society in which the individual stands helpless before the all-powerful state. This decentralized structure of civil society and of the Hindu religious commonwealth has been crucial to the survival of Hinduism under Muslim rule. Whereas Buddhism was swept away as soon as its monasteries were destroyed, Hinduism retreated into its caste structure and weathered the storm.

Caste also provided a framework for integrating immigrant communities: Jews, Zoroastrians and Syrian Christians. They were not only tolerated, but assisted in efforts to preserve their distinctive traditions.

Typically Hindu?

It is routinely claimed that caste is a uniquely Hindu institution. Yet, counter examples are not hard to come by. In Europe and elsewhere, there was (or still is) a hierarchical distinction between noblemen and commoners, with nobility only marrying nobility. Many tribal societies punished the breach of endogamy rules with death.

Coming to the Indian tribes, we find Christian missionaries claiming that “tribals are not Hindus because they do not observe caste.” In reality, missionary literature itself is rife with testimonies of caste practices among tribals. A spectacular example is what the missions call “the Mistake:” the attempt, in 1891, to make tribal converts in Chhotanagpur inter-dine with converts from other tribes. It was a disaster for the mission. Most tribals renounced Christianity because they chose to preserve the taboo on inter-dining. As strongly as the haughtiest brahmin, they refused to mix what God hath separated.

Endogamy and exogamy are observed by tribal societies the world over. The question is therefore not why Hindu society invented this system, but how it could preserve these tribal identities even after outgrowing the tribal stage of civilization. The answer lies largely in the expanding Vedic culture’s intrinsically respectful and conservative spirit, which ensured that each tribe could preserve its customs and traditions, including its defining custom of tribal endogamy.

Description and History

The Portuguese colonizers applied the term caste, “lineage, breed,” to two different Hindu institutions: jati and varna. The effective unit of the caste system is the jati, birth-unit, an endogamous group into which you are born, and within which you marry. In principle, you can only dine with fellow members, but the pressures of modern life have eroded this rule. The several thousands of jatis are subdivided in exogamous clans, gotra. This double division dates back to tribal society.

By contrast, varna is the typical functional division of an advanced society-the Indus/Saraswati civilization, 3rd millennium, bce. The youngest part of the Rg-Veda describes four classes: learned brahmins born from Brahma’s mouth, martial kshatriya-born from his arms; vaishya entrepreneurs born from His hips and shudra workers born from His feet. Everyone is a shudra by birth. Boys become dwija, twice-born, or member of one of the three upper varnas upon receiving the sacred thread in the upanayana ceremony.

The varna system expanded from the Saraswati-Yamuna area and got firmly established in the whole of Aryavarta (Kashmir to Vidarbha, Sindh to Bihar). It counted as a sign of superior culture setting the arya, civilized, heartland apart from the surrounding mleccha, barbaric, lands. In Bengal and the South, the system was reduced to a distinction between brahmins and shudras. Varna is a ritual category and does not fully correspond to effective social or economic status. Thus, half of the princely rulers in British India were shudras and a few were brahmins, though it is the kshatriya function par excellence. Many shudras are rich, many brahmins impoverished.

The Mahabharata defines the varna qualities thus: “He in whom you find truthfulness, generosity, absence of hatred, modesty, goodness and self-restraint, is a brahmana. He who fulfills the duties of a knight, studies the scriptures, concentrates on acquisition and distribution of riches, is a kshatriya. He who loves cattle-breeding, agriculture and money, is honest and well-versed in scripture, is a vaishya. He who eats anything, practises any profession, ignores purity rules, and takes no interest in scriptures and rules of life, is a shudra.” The higher the varna, the more rules of self-discipline are to be observed. Hence, a jati could collectively improve its status by adopting more demanding rules of conduct, e.g. vegetarianism.

A person’s second name usually indicates his jati or gotra. Further, one can use the following varna titles: Sharma (shelter, or joy) indicates the brahmin, Varma (armour) the kshatriya, Gupta (protected) the vaishya and Das (servant) the shudra. In a single family, one person may call himself Gupta (varna), another Agrawal (jati), yet another Garg (gotra). A monk, upon renouncing the world, sheds his name along with his caste identity.

Untouchability

Below the caste hierarchy are the untouchables, or harijan (literally “God’s people”), dalits (”oppressed”), paraiah (one such caste in South India), or scheduled castes. They make up about 16% of the Indian population, as many as the upper castes combined.

Untouchability originates in the belief that evil spirits surround dead and dying substances. People who work with corpses, body excretions or animal skins had an aura of danger and impurity, so they were kept away from mainstream society and from sacred learning and ritual. This often took grotesque forms: thus, an untouchable had to announce his polluting proximity with a rattle, like a leper.

Untouchability is unknown in the Vedas, and therefore repudiated by neo-Vedic reformers like Dayanand Saraswati, Narayan Guru, Gandhiji and Savarkar. In 1967, Dr. Ambedkar, a dalit by birth and fierce critic of social injustice in Hinduism and Islam, led a mass conversion to Buddhism, partly on the (unhistorical) assumption that Buddhism had been an anti-caste movement. The 1950 constitution outlawed untouchability and sanctioned positive discrimination programs for the Scheduled Castes and Tribes. Lately, the Vishva Hindu Parishad has managed to get even the most traditionalist religious leaders on the anti-untouchability platform, so that they invite harijans to Vedic schools and train them as priests. In the villages, however, pestering of dalits is still a regular phenomenon, occasioned less by ritual purity issues than by land and labor disputes. However, the dalits’ increasing political clout is accelerating the elimination of untouchability.

Caste Conversion

In the Mahabharata, Yuddhishthira affirms that varna is defined by the qualities of head and heart, not by one’s birth. Krishna teaches that varna is defined by one’s activity (karma) and quality (guna). Till today, it is an unfinished debate to what extent one’s “quality” is determined by heredity or by environmental influence. And so, while the hereditary view has been predominant for long, the non-hereditary conception of varna has always been around as well, as is clear from the practice of varna conversion. The most famous example is the 17th-century freedom fighter Shivaji, a shudra who was accorded kshatriya status to match his military achievements. The geographical spread of Vedic tradition was achieved through large-scale initiation of local elites into the varna order. From 1875 onwards, the Arya Samaj has systematically administered the “purification ritual” (shuddhi) to Muslim and Christian converts and to low-caste Hindus, making the dwija. Conversely, the present policy of positive discrimination has made upper-caste people seek acceptance into the favored Scheduled Castes.

Veer Savarkar, the ideologue of Hindu nationalism, advocated intermarriage to unify the Hindu nation even at the biological level. Most contemporary Hindus, though now generally opposed to caste inequality, continue to marry within their respective jati because they see no reason for their dissolution.

Racial Theory of Caste

Nineteenth-century Westerners projected the colonial situation and the newest race theories on the caste system: the upper castes were white invaders lording it over the black natives. This outdated view is still repeated ad-nauseam by anti-Hindu authors: now that “idolatry” has lost its force as a term of abuse, “racism” is a welcome innovation to demonize Hinduism. In reality, India is the region where all skin color types met and mingled, and you will find many brahmins as black as Nelson Mandela. Ancient “Aryan” heroes like Rama, Krishna, Draupadi, Ravana (a brahmin) and a number of Vedic seers were explicitly described as being dark-skinned.

But doesn’t varna mean “skin color?” The effective meaning of varna is “splendor, color,” and hence “distinctive quality” or “one segment in a spectrum.” The four functional classes constitute the “colors” in the spectrum of society. Symbolic colors are allotted to the varna on the basis of the cosmological scheme of “three qualities” (triguna): white is sattva (truthful), the quality typifying the brahmin; red is rajas (energetic), for the kshatriya; black is tamas (inert, solid), for the shudra; yellow is allotted to the vaishya, who is defined by a mixture of qualities.

Finally, caste society has been the most stable society in history. Indian communists used to sneer that “India has never even had a revolution.” Actually, that is no mean achievement.

Address: Professor Koenraad Elst, PO box 103, 2000 Leuven 3, Belgium.

Dr. Elst is a Belgian scholar who has extensively studied the current socio-political situation in India. Keenly interested in Asian philosophies and traditions from his early years, he has studied yoga, aikido and other oriental disciplines. Between 1988 and 1993 he spent much of his time in India doing research at the prestigious Banaras Hindu University.

https://www.hinduismtoday.com/magazine/september-1994/1994-09-caste/


31 posted on 08/27/2023 8:32:04 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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I expect Ramaswamy Derangement Syndrome (RDS) will continue to rise on FR as Ramaswamy climbs in the polls. Not as in more people will get deranged because most people I think have a cautious approach toward him which is totally fine, but the ones who are already deranged will get even more deranged.


32 posted on 08/27/2023 8:34:15 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: wildcard_redneck

He is culturally American which is, markedly, different than being culturally Indian.


33 posted on 08/27/2023 8:34:51 PM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Democrats, leftists, Marxists and communists want to ignore or change the Constitution all the time.


34 posted on 08/27/2023 8:35:41 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: entropy12
India never nuked civilians in 2 cities

Neither did the United States. They were atomic bombs, not nuclear bombs. And they served the purpose of ending WWII before the US had to invade the Japanese homeland. That would have led to enormous casualties on both sides.

The estimated Japanese population was 71 million in 1945. All of them (other than babies and young children) would have fought for their emperor and their homeland against allied forces.

35 posted on 08/27/2023 8:36:23 PM PDT by Avalon Memories (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. -- P.J. O’Rourke)
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To: Jyotishi

I don’t really trust him. He’s got a good mouth on him. Maybe he could be Trump’s press secretary.


36 posted on 08/27/2023 8:36:45 PM PDT by clashfan (Whom shall I fear?)
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To: ridesthemiles

HAHA spoken life a true UN-INFORMED person who has not spent 3 days in India. I grew up there, knew more than 1000 students personally in college, and I did not know or care about caste of a single person. My best friend was a Sikh (another religion than mine, and only reason I knew he was a Sikh was he wore a turban and never shaved hair), and I don’t remember hanging around with students of my caste other than my cousins.


37 posted on 08/27/2023 8:37:18 PM PDT by entropy12 (Career politicians like Deasantis build wealth. Trump sacrificed his wealth to serve people.)
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To: Avalon Memories

WOW the incinerated Japanese people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki must have thanked God it was only an atom bomb and not anything more serious.


38 posted on 08/27/2023 8:39:01 PM PDT by entropy12 (Career politicians like Deasantis build wealth. Trump sacrificed his wealth to serve people.)
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To: Vendome; wildcard_redneck

Why is it that people like wildcard_redneck are very aware of national origin of Indians who were born and raised as Americans but never mention a word about first generation Europeans? But at least wildcard_redneck is honest about who he is by including the adjective in his FR ID.


39 posted on 08/27/2023 8:43:21 PM PDT by entropy12 (Career politicians like Deasantis build wealth. Trump sacrificed his wealth to serve people.)
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To: libh8er

I trust that such derangement will not turn into violence. Hate already drips from the derangement on FR, and hate is often the driver of terrorist acts.


40 posted on 08/27/2023 8:43:48 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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