[logi_cal869]

And who pushed them there?

Exactly.

[AndyJackson]

The global situation has become a whole lot more complicated than defending the now non-existent global rules based order, and yet that is what our entire national strategy is and our leadership who are allowed the occasional sip from the K-street advocated trough of privilege cannot respond because any change gores a sacred cow.

[SaveFerris]

yeah