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Secret Service agent protecting president's granddaughter, Naomi Biden Neal, opens fire during government vehicle break-in
NBC via MSN ^ | 11/14/23 | Gabe Gutierrez

Posted on 11/13/2023 9:39:31 PM PST by DeathBeforeDishonor1

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To: Responsibility2nd
What's even more sickening is the women in the background grinning as if such behavior is normal and good.

One would think a normal person would have a look of disgust.

21 posted on 11/14/2023 1:02:18 AM PST by Mogger
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To: lightman

As a shooter or a target? We ARE talking about a FED after all


22 posted on 11/14/2023 1:50:42 AM PST by Spacetrucker (George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to defeat the British - HE SHOT THEM .. WITH GUNS)
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To: Robert357

“Where I live, private citizens, who use deadly force to shoot at people doing minor property crime (breaking into a car) when the vehicle is unoccupied, can face some heavy penalties.”

The Secret Service vehicle might have had a gun inside of it. It might also had communication equipment in it that allows people to hear Secret Service agents communicate. If Big Donkey’s movements are precisely known, Big Donkey is in great danger.


23 posted on 11/14/2023 1:57:31 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Robert357

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWuyoJ4AVsY

Above is a video of a gun lawyer in Washington State regarding this shooting. “Have you ever read a story that doesn’t pass the ‘smell test’?”


24 posted on 11/14/2023 2:00:39 AM PST by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful.)
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To: tophat9000

they were shooting at someone trying to break into an empty car unmarked secret service
Somebody needs removed from service. I thought SS were trained better than this. 🤦‍♂️


25 posted on 11/14/2023 3:25:36 AM PST by griswold3 (I cannot change the Tide but I can learn to Sail)
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To: tophat9000

so...why can’t regular people do that when someone is trying to break into our own vehicle?


26 posted on 11/14/2023 3:39:40 AM PST by Qwapisking ("IF the Second goes first the First goes second" L.Star )
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To: lightman
More range time needed.

Or shorter range next time

27 posted on 11/14/2023 4:54:35 AM PST by Ahithophel (Communication is an art form susceptible to sudden technical failure)
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To: tophat9000

The reality they were shooting at someone trying to break into an empty car unmarked secret service and that had nothing to do with her.

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Isn’t that patently illegal? Using deadly force to simply protect property when no person is in danger? Leftists lawyers tell me all the time that one is not allowed to do that. Why do the Biden’s get their property protected in such a manner?


28 posted on 11/14/2023 6:21:06 AM PST by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: coloradan

“So the lesson here is that it’s ok to use deadly force to protect mere property?”

1. If that was a Secret Service vehicle that was part of a protection detail they were trying to steal, there were probably a number of things stored in it that we don’t want stolen...including firearms and ammunition.

2. Contrary to popular belief and the law, it’s not necessarily “mere property” at risk. The right to have and old property is basic to civilization and property offensives may be considered an offense against civilization.


29 posted on 11/14/2023 6:32:10 AM PST by KrisKrinkle (c)
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To: kiryandil

lolz


30 posted on 11/14/2023 7:24:32 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: KrisKrinkle

1. Citizens sometimes also have things one wouldn’t want stolen, e.g. firearms and ammunition, given they we do have a right to keep and bear such stuff. Nevertheless, a mere peasant would be thrown in jail for shooting in such a situation, i.e. when there isn’t imminent threat of grave bodily harm to anyone.

2. The government has repeatedly found people guilty of crimes when they used deadly force to protect “mere” property - their words. Only Texas, as far as I know, allows use of deadly force to protect property. Certainly not Washington DC.

3. But somehow the Lords here have rights to employ deadly force to protect property we do not. Which is not to say I think breaking into cars should be without consequence.


31 posted on 11/14/2023 9:33:07 AM PST by coloradan (They're not the mainstream media, they're the gaslight media. It's what they do. )
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To: 21twelve
Thanks for the video link. He said what I was thinking very much better than I could. The explanation does smell and something is not being said or those Secret Service agents should be in big trouble.

I think that there is a cover-up of some key facts as to what really happened.

Deadly force use is severely limited by the law in most places.

32 posted on 11/16/2023 1:59:56 PM PST by Robert357
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Me: “Where I live, private citizens, who use deadly force to shoot at people doing minor property crime (breaking into a car) when the vehicle is unoccupied, can face some heavy penalties.”

You: “The Secret Service vehicle might have had a gun inside of it. It might also had communication equipment in it that allows people to hear Secret Service agents communicate. If Big Donkey's movements are precisely known, Big Donkey is in great danger.”

If it had a “firearm” inside it, it should have been locked up. That is a usual pro-gun control locality requirement. No one, not even the Secret Service should be careless with firearm storage.

As to the radio theory, that still doesn't justify using deadly force for someone breaking into a car that has not yet entered the car and started to steal things. That is not a proportional use. Starting shooting is the kind of stupid untrained response that got poor unarmed Ashli Babbitt shot and killed, when it was not warranted.

Law enforcement in WA DC seems to be acting in a manner that is counter to the law and a danger to the public. Either that or there is some kind of cover up going on that we aren't being told about.

33 posted on 11/16/2023 2:07:05 PM PST by Robert357
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