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The weak-willed West is conspiring to sell out Ukraine
The Telegraph via Yahoo ^ | November 16th, 2023 | Con Coughlin

Posted on 11/16/2023 5:31:22 PM PST by Mariner

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To: joe fonebone

I see Lahaina regularly

A woman friend

Who took 10 + years

To get soc sec disability

For her severely autistic 30 + yr old son

Living on the streets

Nato spending billions to recommunize Russia

Shame


41 posted on 11/16/2023 6:21:08 PM PST by Firehath (Quackery - An irrelevant simplification / undetected Complex problem - attacking symptoms)
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To: Nateman
Ukraine has plenty of talented, bright engineers.

They may find it necessary to develop their own nuclear weapons.

Having nuclear weapons appears to be the only way a smaller state can keep its sovereignty.

Just ask Libya and Kaddafi.

42 posted on 11/16/2023 6:32:24 PM PST by marktwain
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To: Mariner

Can we get a good price for the Ukraine? Maybe our weapons back if nothing else?


43 posted on 11/16/2023 6:36:36 PM PST by Reno89519 (It's war. No one murders and takes Americans hostage. Time to act. Declare war on Islamic Hamas.)
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To: MMaschin
Awfully selective about what we get outraged about, aren't we?

Much more is spent on food stamps, CRT indoctrination, the corrupt FBI and CIA, and a million other things than the Ukraine.

Yet since the war began, I bet there has been easily over ten times more posts about Ukraine being a waste of money, than every other issue combined.

Anyone who has even average intelligence should be able to see that FR has been infiltrated by Russian agents. Just look at the posting here. The same people who harp on about "evil" Ukraine, are the ones here who post about how evil left-wing Jews are destroying America, and are practically slobbering all over Trump.

They are basically caricatures of American conservatives that a nation that doesn't understand nuance, like Russia, would create.

44 posted on 11/16/2023 6:39:20 PM PST by Dat
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To: Mariner

Unfortunately, both the UK and the Ukrainians didn’t see it that way. We’ve done similar ‘treaties’ in the past like that so there was precedence. (Aside: Note I agree none of this is necessarily Constitutional but until its challenged and struck down it stands both internationally and as an ‘accomplishment’ in domestic politics. Remember Congress doesn’t like to work if they can arrange it so some other part of the government makes the decision and takes the heat so much the better for them. Constitutionally require activity takes up too much time from their prancing & preening!) It was very foolish of the Ukrainians to trust their sovereign existence to others particularly when they had the means at hand to guarantee it. Think of South Vietnam we guaranteed their existence. That didn’t work out so well for them!


45 posted on 11/16/2023 6:44:03 PM PST by Reily (!!)
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To: Gary from Dayton

They think it is a clever way to covertly say “Jew”, when they think “Jew” is a white person they don’t like.


46 posted on 11/16/2023 6:47:13 PM PST by Dat
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To: Dat

F the Ukraine! Ain’t a one of us here from Russia either. It’s sad to see so many on FR siding with a scumbag traitor like Joe Biden. We are the ones being invaded.


47 posted on 11/16/2023 6:51:59 PM PST by ohioman (ncestorts.)
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To: Nateman
It's probably time to put that whole myth about Ukraine's nuclear options in the early 1990s to rest.

1. Ukraine never had any option to keep any nuclear weapons. The U.S., Great Britain and France never would have allowed another nuclear power on the European continent.

2. At the time of the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the former Soviet nuclear arsenal in Ukraine was seen as a major liability for anyone who took possession of it, not a prized asset. These were aged weapons that would require dismantling and disposal, and the Russians did everyone a favor by taking them out of Ukraine. In exchange, Russian was effectively given all the legal and diplomatic privileges that had been held by the Soviet Union (the former Soviet permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council, for example) as its de facto "replacement."

48 posted on 11/16/2023 6:52:01 PM PST by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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To: ohioman
See, an emotional response that has nothing to do with the subject matter. Also, a logical fallacy that because something is supported by someone you don't like, that thing is therefore wrong.

It's funny, because as much as people here seem to think conservatives run on facts and logic, almost everything on FR is just emotion and opinion.

49 posted on 11/16/2023 6:55:22 PM PST by Dat
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To: Alberta's Child

What happens is the natural decay of Plutonium causes Helium to build up making the Plutonium core brittle. To keep the bomb working you have to extract that Helium and the other decay products to make the Plutonium pure again. Its well worth the effort because it makes your country something that nobody dares to invade.


50 posted on 11/16/2023 6:59:57 PM PST by Nateman (If the Pedo Profit Mad Moe (pig pee upon him!) was not the Antichrist then he comes in second.)
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To: Mariner; All

The USA has no ability to defend Taiwan.

The CEO of Raytheon admitted they have thousands of Chinese subcontractors, and can’t decouple from China.

https://dailycaller.com/2023/06/19/raytheon-china-greg-hayes-decoupling/

The “Pivot to Asia” was over before it began.

Taiwan needs to make their best deal, because the USA is incapable of defending them.


51 posted on 11/16/2023 7:30:40 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: BobL

Team Brandon and the Foreign policy Blob is guaranteed to make the worst possible decisions.

Trump should actually hire Team Brandon Foreign Policy to advise him, and then employ “Opposite Theory”.


52 posted on 11/16/2023 7:33:58 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Deaf Smith; Mariner

Con Coughlin is the ultimate in the UK MIC Swamp, but he is not leftist.


53 posted on 11/16/2023 7:35:22 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Mariner
"Yet, as the Ukrainians are discovering to their cost, Western support can be fickle, especially when it looks as though military operations are not achieving their objectives."

I remember Clinton talked them out of their nuclear weapons. Vietnam should have been sufficient warning.

54 posted on 11/16/2023 7:36:45 PM PST by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: Dat

“They think it is a clever way to covertly say “Jew”, when they think “Jew” is a white person they don’t like.”


No. NeoCon refers to people who are hysterical about the Ukraine border, and the Gaza border, but not the American border....

Ok, you are right it is Jews.


55 posted on 11/16/2023 7:41:22 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Mariner

Ukraine is a little corrupt hellhole and there’s no reason for us to be there. Biden can pay them back for the money money they dumped into Hunter. He can sell his beach house or something. Biden owes them - we don’t.


56 posted on 11/16/2023 7:50:58 PM PST by GOPJ (When white liberal 'elites' say we must 'save democracy' they mean 'save white liberal elite power'.)
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To: Mariner

I would have a little more sympathy for Ukraine if they were a democracy.


57 posted on 11/16/2023 7:56:44 PM PST by roving (👌⚓Deplorable Listless Vessel with Trumpitist who looks Trumpish)
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To: RedMonqey
The support from the US is not endless and the European weenies need to step up and support their desperate neighbor. Otherwise the Ukraine, however distasteful,needs to go to the negotiation table with Putin over the disputed territorys.

European powers together have provided more support to Ukraine than the USA has. Ignorance of facts is no excuse.

58 posted on 11/16/2023 8:19:37 PM PST by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: Mariner

The neocons are more desperate than ever to link Ukraine with Israel.
And they have nothing to do with the other.

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They aren’t linked from a geopolitical perspective, but they will be linked together from an American political & financial position.

The Establishment of the United States has to tie Ukraine & Israel funding together because divisions are rising in both parties over both issues.

1) The Republicans are divided over Ukraine but not so much over Israel.

2) The Democrats are divided over Israel but not so much over Ukraine.

Things could go sideways pretty quickly if wrong moves are made.


59 posted on 11/16/2023 9:26:07 PM PST by unclebankster ( Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel)
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To: roving

I would have a little more sympathy for Ukraine if they were a democracy.

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I understand the sentiment, but disagree with people who want to go to war or defend other people because of the type of government they have.(Democracy, Republic, monarchy, dictatorship, oligarchy, etc)

This mentality is as dumb as going to war over a different or differences in religion.

Modern man is very arrogant & hubristic in his judgement of his ancestors, which is humorous when he’s the same simple minded child that “eats up” propaganda just like his ancestors did.


60 posted on 11/16/2023 10:17:06 PM PST by unclebankster ( Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel)
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