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Can the U.S. afford for Ukraine to lose?
The Hill ^ | 12/22/2023 | ELIOT WILSON,

Posted on 12/22/2023 11:31:43 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is Jewish, but in July he approved a law moving Christmas in Ukraine from January 7, the date in the Eastern Orthodox calendar, to the Western celebration day of December 25. See that, Moscow? All the indications are, however, that while Christmas may come sooner in Ukraine this year, it is going to be a bleak one.

Mike McCord, the comptroller of the U.S. Department of Defense, informed Congress on December 15 that $1 billion of military aid will be released by the end of the month but, without legislative authorization, there is no more money for Ukraine.

A supplemental appropriations package before Congress contains an additional $61 billion, as well as funding for Israel and for border security, but it was blocked by Senate Republicans and, with the House already in recess, there will be no movement before Christmas. Zelenskyy travelled to Washington to plead in person for continued aid but left empty-handed.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: 10percent4bigguy; afford; eliotwilson; lose; neoconsvotedbiden; ukraine; ukraineislosing; us; zeepers
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Eliot should get his butt to the front lines in Ukraine and help out if he feels this strongly about it
1 posted on 12/22/2023 11:31:43 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Close our border to open the $$$ pipeline to Ukraine. Very simple.


2 posted on 12/22/2023 11:34:24 AM PST by Midwesterner53
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Can the US afford for Ukraine to lose?

They should have thought about that one before they started a forever proxy war.

Ukraine has lost, the only thing left is the terms of surrender.


3 posted on 12/22/2023 11:39:02 AM PST by rdcbn1
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To: ChicagoConservative27

We can’t afford for Ukraine NOT to lose.

Its been a Democrat/Davos/Deep State corrupt shyte-hole since 2013, sucking in American money, and putting out DC political scandals like the fake dossier, Seth Rich’s DNC server, the Vindmans, Hunter Biden’s payoffs, etc...

Now the American taxpayer has given them $120 Billion with ZERO oversight - to the most corrupt nation earth.

Pray, for the sake of the American Republic, that Russia rolls over the entire place soon.


4 posted on 12/22/2023 11:39:57 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Midwesterner53

We should trade bankrupting ourselves in a globaloid $**thole war - just for fed.gov to do its job and secure the nations’ border?

How about no.


5 posted on 12/22/2023 11:41:58 AM PST by AAABEST ( NY/DC/CA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

The U.S. will be fine. However, Uncle Klaus and the New World Order crowd will be deeply saddened.


6 posted on 12/22/2023 11:44:33 AM PST by yuleeyahoo (“Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!” - the deep-state)
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To: PGR88
Hopefully we find out what the heck the Deep State was doing there in the runup to hostilities. Primarily the biolabs, but money flows back to offshore accounts as well.

Romney is 'retiring'. Aside from a primary challenge, I suspect Ukraine's fortunes are tied to his retirement as well.

7 posted on 12/22/2023 11:45:20 AM PST by Tench_Coxe (The woke were surprised by the reaction to the Bud Light fiasco. May there be many more surprises)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

No way this was not known in advance. A forever war is just the thing to keep the DC machine well-lubed.


8 posted on 12/22/2023 11:47:08 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (The Democrat breadlines will be gluten-free. )
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They should have thought about that one before they started a forever proxy war.

Funny, I never heard anything about Ukraine invading Putinland. All the news said it was the Red Army who invaded Ukraine. Who knew?

9 posted on 12/22/2023 11:50:55 AM PST by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: ChicagoConservative27

If Ukraine loses, Biden loses. If Biden loses the world wins.


10 posted on 12/22/2023 11:55:40 AM PST by Fai Mao ( IOStarve the Beast and steal its food)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

We don’t really care who invaded who. We just care that we are paying for it all.

Ukraine is not the US. Only invasion we care about is at our own borders.

Ukraine should have thought about what would happen warring with their own citizens.


11 posted on 12/22/2023 11:56:47 AM PST by dforest
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Can the U.S. afford for Ukraine to lose?

Ukraine has already Lost.

The only Question is:

Will Ukraine drag the US down the GloboHomoTrannyPedo Craphole with it's Nazi self.

12 posted on 12/22/2023 12:00:18 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

We sure as hell can’t afford Ukraine fighting.


13 posted on 12/22/2023 12:00:37 PM PST by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Dumb question - Ukraine was always going to lose. It was just a matter of how much territory and autonomy they would have to give up. Russia didn’t set out to destroy them - just force certain concessions.

Then the globalist oligarchs and warmongers decided they could profit off making it a fight to the death - and now Ukraine will lose everything.


14 posted on 12/22/2023 12:02:03 PM PST by enumerated (81 million votes my ass)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Why should we even care? Nothing between us and Russia will change.


15 posted on 12/22/2023 12:02:38 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Rudy for Mayor of NYC in 24!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

With $30T in debt, how can We the People afford to sustain the conflict???


16 posted on 12/22/2023 12:04:12 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan
"Funny, I never heard anything about Ukraine invading Putinland. All the news said it was the Red Army who invaded Ukraine. Who knew? "

So Obama the magic Marxist didn't overthrow a democratically elected Ukraine president and government and then have the Nazi Banderites attack ethnic Russians in the Donbas? Your hero Biden didn't push for Ukraine join NATO even though Russia said it would start a war? We didn't set up a network of biowarfare labs in the Ukraine?

17 posted on 12/22/2023 12:06:08 PM PST by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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To: rdcbn1

The “forever proxy war” was started by Russia and Russia alone. They are a menace to the rest of the world and to everyone else in it, including us. The Ukraine has not lost that is your wishful thinking because you are on the side of evil and Russia.


18 posted on 12/22/2023 12:06:55 PM PST by amnestynone (We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Of course we can allow Ukraine to lose!!

We have plenty of red blooded US troops that will step in and stop Putin when he tries to conquer the rest of Europe.


Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, December 17, 2023

Russian President Vladimir Putin threatened Finland and the wider NATO alliance in a statement ostensibly meant to dismiss concerns about the threat that Russia poses to NATO.

Putin gave an extended interview with Russian state TV channel Rossiya 1 on December 17, wherein he attempted to deny US President Joe Biden’s December 6 warning that Russia would attack a NATO country in the future if it won the war in Ukraine.

Putin argued that Russia does not have any geopolitical, economic, military, or territorial reason to fight NATO and that Russia is interested in developing relations with NATO member states.

Putin followed this supposed reassurance with an accusation that NATO member states artificially created conflict between Russia and Finland and “dragged“ Finland into the NATO alliance.

Putin stated that “there will be problems” with Finland and that Finland’s NATO accession prompted Russian officials to start forming the Leningrad Military District (LMD) and concentrating military units in northwestern Russia.

The Russian military is currently redividing the Western Military District (WMD) to reform the LMD and the Moscow Military District (MMD) as part of a long-term restructuring and expansion effort that aims to prepare Russia for a potential future large-scale conventional war against NATO.

The WMD is responsible for the Russian border with NATO members Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland but has largely been committed to the fight in Ukraine, where it has incurred significant losses.

The restoration of the LMD and MMD is likely intended to balance Russian operational requirements in Ukraine with Russian military posturing along the Russian border with NATO.

Putin’s justification for the formation of the LMD, which will be responsible for an area bordering Finland, Sweden, and the Arctic, suggests that he sees the LMD as a military response to the “problems” of current and future NATO members in Scandinavia.

Putin’s reassurances about his peaceful intentions toward NATO ring hollow in the context of the threats he and Kremlin pundits have recently been making against NATO member states. Putin threatened Poland on July 21, stating that Russia would respond “with all the means” at its disposal after Warsaw sent troops to the Belarusian-Polish border due to the redeployment of Wagner Group fighters to Belarus.

Deputy Chairman of the Russian Security Council Dmitry Medvedev threatened on August 29 that Russia had “an opportunity to act within the framework of jus ad bellum against everyone in NATO countries” when commenting on Western support of Ukrainian strikes on occupied Crimea.

Medvedev similarly threatened Poland in November when he stated that Russia deems Warsaw to be a “dangerous enemy” that could lose its “statehood.”

A Russian propagandist suggested on Russian state TV on December 2 that Baltic states would be Russia’s next military target and that they would fall shortly after Ukraine.

Russian propagandist Vladimir Solovyov, Medvedev, and other pundits consistently threaten to use nuclear weapons against the United States and other NATO countries.[12] These threats are part of long-standing Russian narratives about attacking NATO that predated Finland’s application and acceptance into the alliance on April 4.

The statements of Russian pundits do not pose a military threat to NATO countries, to be sure, but they are important context for Putin’s ostensible effort to calm the waters during his December 17 interview. Putin’s proclamation that Russia has no interest in invading NATO is also very similar to the Kremlin’s persistent claims in late 2021 and early 2022 - including right up to the eve of the invasion - that Russia did not intend to invade Ukraine.

The interview was likely a deliberate attempt to reamplify the Kremlin’s efforts to misrepresent the Russian military threat as an imaginary and artificial NATO invention.

Putin continues to express a world view in which Russia must impose its will without any compromise or face existential consequences. Putin stated in his interview with Rossiya 1 that he was naive in the 2000s and thought that the West understood that there was no basis for confrontation with Russia.

Putin accused the West of continuing to fight Russia as it had done with the Soviet Union because it had not rethought the Cold War era structures that the West had constructed.

Putin also accused some in the West of pursuing the full destruction and balkanization of Russia, framing Putin’s perceived geopolitical confrontation with the collective West in existential terms.

Putin has built a world view over two decades of rule in which dissatisfaction with the West has grown into a hardened zero-sum view of Russian and Western power.

Putin has increasingly expressed a narrative alleging that there is a concerted decades-long Western effort to diminish Russian power and inflict a permanent strategic defeat upon it, and he has grouped any geopolitical setback however minor into that narrative.

Putin’s worldview suggests that Putin regards anything less than full Western surrender to Russian grand strategic objectives as insufficient.

This zero-sum world view of geopolitics is indicative of Putin’s personal philosophy, which prizes power above all else and frames any compromise as defeat. Putin implied in the Rossiya 1 interview that he did not apologize to his mother as a child (despite her punishments and numerous requests for an apology) but held firm until she finally wavered in punishing him.

This anecdote, bizarrely intruded into a conversation about Russian strategic objectives, may have been an indirect reference to Putin’s commitment to force those opposed to him to capitulate. This view is also clearly seen in the key thesis of Putin’s quasi-auto-biography First Person, which argues that Putin concluded that it was necessary to impose his will upon the world, first himself and then Russia’s survival.

19 posted on 12/22/2023 12:08:52 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

For once some common sense from The Hill.

Moscow has always coveted warm water ports. That’s the main reason Putin wants to subdue Ukraine - control of the Black Sea. Overwhelming Lithuania/Latvia/Estonia gives him access to the Baltic. Another objective will be control of northern Norway. And Finland, of course.

The East Slavic empire has never been able to compete with the West in technology. Nothing they build is competitive in the world marketplace. (Except maybe the AK-47.) The Empire’s manufactures can only compete by using brute force to create controlled markets. In a rational world, it is no more than a resource-extraction economy, and wants control of seaports to export its’ low-tech stuff.


20 posted on 12/22/2023 12:14:32 PM PST by Chad C. Mulligan
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