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To: dayglored
Martyrs provide spiritual inspiration, and win the approval of God, but generally do not change The System. Victors have the greater effect on The System, and as far as I can tell, also win the approval of God. I respect the martyrs because they maintained their faith in the face of evil, but I also praise the victors because they triumphed over evil. And that matters.

A false dilemma in the context in which Christian martyrs usually became such. For when the choice is either to compromise or stand firm for the right, then the loser is the compromiser (as in confessing Caesar is lord).

If Kim Davis went along with the system, then she would have been a loser. What you are advocating is escaping (Matthew 2:13) a situation, versus being placed in one in which one must give in to the system or stand. In the latter case it is "Dare to be a Daniel, Dare to stand alone, Dare to have a purpose firm, Dare to make it known."

41 posted on 01/02/2024 11:49:42 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: daniel1212
> If Kim Davis went along with the system, then she would have been a loser. What you are advocating is escaping (Matthew 2:13) a situation, versus being placed in one in which one must give in to the system or stand. In the latter case it is "Dare to be a Daniel, Dare to stand alone, Dare to have a purpose firm, Dare to make it known."

I do respect Davis' decision to stand for her beliefs, since it demonstrated her commitment to her faith, and that deserves respect. It would have been most unfortunate for her if she had folded, staying in her job and issuing the license, because in the long run keeping one's integrity and faith outweighs keeping one's job.

Since she's been effectively neutered by being financially crushed, it will now fall to others to fight a battle another way, that perhaps can result in government getting out of the marriage business entirely... but it's 3AM and I can't get started on that tack tonight. :-)

Have a great evening and thank you for this worthwhile exchange. God Bless.

44 posted on 01/03/2024 12:02:12 AM PST by dayglored (Strange Women Lying In Ponds Distributing Swords! Arthur Pendragon in 2024)
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To: daniel1212

“when the choice is either to compromise or stand firm”

Sometimes the only way to win the game is to refuse to play.

The best time to do that is when the game is rigged by evil people.

You should have the right to choose when you fight battles and to structure the battlefield so you will win.

The perverts currently control the legal battlefield.


53 posted on 01/03/2024 2:39:21 AM PST by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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