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To: EnderWiggin1970

Wow, that displays incredible ignorance of the effects of immigration on America.

Take one example, California, do you think the white Californians suddenly reversed their politics and that is how we lost California?

What do you think the left means when they say Texas is falling and will fall? do you think that is because they are going to change the minds of the Texans that are there today?


18 posted on 01/17/2024 11:55:29 AM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12
Stop looking at the poor blokes voting left, and look at their leadership. It's the leadership in America that opened the door to let those immigrants in. And it's the leadership that is destroying the country and its institutions in a way the poor never could. And those leaders aren't immigrants. They come from WASPY Ivy League circles by and large, with bloodlines that may go back to the Mayflower for all it matters.

The irony is that with Trump and the political realignment he represents, the culturally conservative immigrant block may well swing behind conservative American factions rather than the woke worldview of marxists that have been such a blight in their own homelands. Don't screw that up. I'm not saying illegal immigration isn't a problem or that we should have an open border, just that the border is a symptom more than a root cause. If you shut the border and declare victory, I guarantee it will be for nought, like the conservatives who thought striking down Roe v. Wade was a final victory rather than merely an opportunity to effect real change.

22 posted on 01/17/2024 12:28:34 PM PST by EnderWiggin1970
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To: ansel12
Take one example, California, do you think the white Californians suddenly reversed their politics and that is how we lost California?

As a white Californian prior to 2000, I found the advent of "motor voter" filled the voting rolls with illegal, non-citizen voters. My vote as a US citizen and legal resident of California was overwhelmed by the illegals on the voting rolls. I had lost my representation. I was reduced to a mule to generate tax revenue that would be spent in ways I opposed. My only recourse was a move to Idaho where my vote still counted.

After Obama took office, my contracts evaporated. I was still "employed", but with no contracts to cover my labor and salary. A project in San Diego that required my physical presence to work was a viable alternative. My family stayed home in Idaho. I rented a room in San Diego and worked the contract. It was supposed to be 3 weeks, but stretched from June 2009 to Sept 2014. My employer agreed to tax my earning based on where I was physically doing the work (even as an Idaho resident). California AND Idaho taxed my income. Sometimes even Nebraska and Virginia taxed it. Very complex working for an employer with a presence in nearly every state and tracking taxable labor for every state, every year. I'm thankful for a stable Idaho presence from Sept 2014 to the present.

24 posted on 01/17/2024 5:22:04 PM PST by Myrddin
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