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New Biden guidance makes EV charger tax credits available where most Americans live
The Hill ^ | 01/19/2024 | RACHEL FRAZIN

Posted on 01/19/2024 9:06:27 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27

The Biden administration has offered a broad interpretation for where EV charger projects can qualify for new tax credits — making those credits available in places where about two thirds of Americans live.

Under the Democrats’ climate, tax and healthcare bill, tax credits for electric vehicle chargers are available to those who build chargers in low income communities or in areas that are not considered urban.

In new guidance announced Friday, the Biden administration offered a wide interpretation of non-urban — saying that it applied to any census tract where at least 10 percent of blocks have not been designated as urban areas.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: automotive; biden; bidenadm; electric; ev; evchargers; guidance; taxcredits
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Biden Guidance?? What is this North Korea??
1 posted on 01/19/2024 9:06:27 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27

If the Democrats get everything they want, North Korea will seem like a paradise by comparison to a Democrat run USA


2 posted on 01/19/2024 9:10:38 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I wish I could find it and post it, but some Tesla owner was fast charging his car and basically did the math based on how many kilowatt it took to fast charge. By his math, it took the equivalent of 1000 homes to charge the car and that was 1 charging station out of 16.


3 posted on 01/19/2024 9:10:39 AM PST by BigFreakinToad (Remember the Biden Kitchen Fire of 2004)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Dumb and Dumber is not a Jim Carey movie.


4 posted on 01/19/2024 9:17:38 AM PST by blackdog ((Z28.310) My dog Sam eats purple flowers.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Good deal Rachel Frazin go buy enough to replace those gas vehicles you own.


5 posted on 01/19/2024 9:30:10 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Under the Democrats’ climate, tax and health care bill, tax credits for EV chargers are available to those who build chargers in low-income communities

Alongside the tax credit guidance, the White House also announced $325 million in new investments to repair broken chargers.

Hmmmmmmm.

6 posted on 01/19/2024 9:38:51 AM PST by Sooth2222 (“Toute nation a le gouvernement qu’elle mérite.” /"Every nation has the government it deserves.” )
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To: BigFreakinToad

I had to check your numbers on that. So using rough math round numbers, a typical home uses about 11,000 kWh per year. So that comes to about 1.25 kWh per hour. A Tesla needs about 125 kWh for a full charge. So rough math, assuming it takes 1 hour to charge, one fast charging Tesla uses the same amount of energy as 100 homes during that hour - on average.

I am totally open to correction because I did this math quickly and used quick search results for the data.


7 posted on 01/19/2024 9:53:12 AM PST by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Behind the scenes in an election year…


8 posted on 01/19/2024 9:56:04 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (“Occupy your mind with good thoughts or your enemy will fill them with bad ones.” ~ Thomas More)
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To: monkeyshine

And, with slow charging, the typical secondary distribution transformer in your neighborhood can handle four EVs. The transformer serves 10-12 houses. To serve more homes, you need larger transformers. But then you have wire capacity limits from the substation to the transformer.

The dirty secret is that the current power system cannot support the wholesale changeover to EVs. It was designed for the days when you had lightbulbs, a vacuum cleaner, a toaster, a dishwasher and a clothes washer.


9 posted on 01/19/2024 10:04:36 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (“Occupy your mind with good thoughts or your enemy will fill them with bad ones.” ~ Thomas More)
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To: monkeyshine; BigFreakinToad
Here's my real-world data as an EV owner who hates gubment subsidies and coercions.

Last year we drove our EV 26K miles, with 16K of those miles charged at home. That took 4,900 kWh of charging at home.

The rest of the house used 15,900 kWh last year.

Details: According to the inverter telemetry of my solar equipment: my electrical panels used up 20,800 kWh (ignore from now how much of that came from solar panels, how much came from solar batteries, and how much came from the grid). Subtract from that the EV charging and it was 15,900 kWh to power my all-electric, two-story, 2,300 sq ft home in warm climate Alabama. That's with a variable speed heat pump to cool and warm the home (with heat strips when the weather is too cold for the heat pump), and with a hybrid water heater that runs at 380W to warm the 50-gal water tank (and during the warm months I divert the cold air by-product from the water heater into my HVAC intake to utilize that free cold air).

10 posted on 01/19/2024 10:18:19 AM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: monkeyshine

it may be that. It may take a thousand homes to charge EV if all 16 stations were active. I wish I could find the video. It was either on X or Tik Tok


11 posted on 01/19/2024 10:41:43 AM PST by BigFreakinToad (Remember the Biden Kitchen Fire of 2004)
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To: from occupied ga

Great how every “news” org has gone full on Biden re-election team. Not just biased but full on advocacy. Stopping Trump is not the main thing it is the only thing.


12 posted on 01/19/2024 10:44:23 AM PST by gibsonguy
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To: BigFreakinToad

Traps super chargers max out at 250 kw for every model except for the top end model S or roadsters those are 350kw. During the summer a typical 2500sqft home running AC is using 10kw add in a cloths dryer for another 8kw and an electric cooktop,tvs and refrigerators at 10+kw more. So the accurate number is 25 to 10 times per supercharger bay. The most current I have ever seen my meter report back was with the AC on, the wife doing laundry, me cooking and two large 70” 4Ks on was 165 amps which at 240 splitphase is 39.6 kw 165amps is just over half what the 300 amp main breaker is rated for all new builds have 300 amp service in this area. Our garage also came with two large four prong NEMA 50 240v plugs on each side wall so it’s already EV ready even maxed out with house load we could still pull a solid 100 amps and be under the 300 main breaker rating. Mains are rated for full load all others are 80% continuous duty cycle. So those 50s are actually 40 amp full duty cycle.

I have rented a model 3 it went from 20% to full from midnight when it got plugged in by the time I was ready to use it in the morning took all of thirty seconds of my time as I exited the vehicle for the night. As a second commuter car that model 3 would be ideal as it drives itself in grid lock traffic which is every day for 4+ hours a day in DFW. Even better is a lot of employers offer free charging at work so that is like getting free gas for your commute. My yearly commuting gas bill is $3600 that alone would justify a second commuter car purchase. 106 miles a day round trip 5 to 6 days a week down toll roads each way no less. I’m waiting for tesla to put LiFePO4 cells in the Model 3 LR with 800v @300kw supercharger rates then one with full FSD get bought. 8 years 120,000 miles no questions battery life warranty. I never keep a car past 5 years or 150,000, never have, never will so it’s moot about after the warranty. That car could have ZERO resale value and it would be a positive fiscal policy decision for my needs. the math solidly works out on a cost per mile basis over 120,000 miles total life even with zero retained capex which is false it will always be positive value at 120,000mi a simple Google search for used M3 confirms that. Add in getting free charging at work to the tune of $3600 a year for up to 8 years that’s nearly the purchase price of a model 3 new just in gas cost offsets. Like I said I’m a math guy and the math works solidly for a commuter car in the $25_35,000 range with a 8 year lifetime.


13 posted on 01/19/2024 2:29:51 PM PST by GenXPolymath
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To: gibsonguy

Stopping every Republican except Nikki Haley who is as RINO as you can get appears to be the media’s goal. However, no matter who the Republican candidate is I’ll vote Republican. As bad as Halley is she’s still better than any Democrat. Trump is not my first choice, but the time to settle this is during the primaries and if he gets the nomination he’ll get my vote.

There are three problems that are related to Trump. First is the Democrat cheat machine that is alive and well in GA, PA, etc. Atlanta is owned outright by black Democrats, and no matter how the Democrat party screws them they will vote Democrat. Then he has to get a sufficient margin to break their cheating. Second there are a lot of real as opposed to imaginary Democrat voters who would crawl naked over broken glass to vote against Trump. Young college graduates with less sense than a cockroach, but with a vastly inflated opinion of their own worth and wisdom are just one example of these. Third are the Republican never Trumpers. They need to get their heads out of their nether orifices and wake up to what another Democrat administration would do to this country.


14 posted on 01/19/2024 4:35:51 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
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To: GenXPolymath

Do you ever take long trips by car? Do you ever drive in extremely cold weather? Do you live in a possible hurricane evacuation zone? Do you think that your power company has the capacity to have even 20% of the houses running at full demand? Just curious.


15 posted on 01/19/2024 4:40:38 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

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16 posted on 01/19/2024 4:41:34 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
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To: from occupied ga

When I lived in LA (lower Alabama) we got hit with a hurricane. Early 90’s. We were out of power for 2 weeks. Gas stations couldn’t pump gas. Grocery stores were closed. An EV would be nothing but an albatross at that point.


17 posted on 01/19/2024 4:43:24 PM PST by Texas resident (Biden=Obama=Jarrett=Soros)
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To: GenXPolymath

“free charging at work”

I HATE those arguments. Yes, it is “free” to you. But your company is paying the power bill. That means lower money available for R&D to develop new products, reduced EPS for the company, and lower stock price affecting all of your fellow employees as well as all shareholders who are not getting the “free” electricity.

Your argument is akin to the $7,000 “free” subsidy paid by all taxpayers to buyers of EVs.

There IS NO FREE LUNCH. Somebody pays. You are enjoying the fruits of others’ labors. Enjoy your “free” power.


18 posted on 01/19/2024 5:17:17 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (“Occupy your mind with good thoughts or your enemy will fill them with bad ones.” ~ Thomas More)
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To: from occupied ga

Your 3 points about a Trump candidacy are good but really they apply to whoever the GOP candidate maybe a little less with Haley but not much.


19 posted on 01/19/2024 6:11:09 PM PST by gibsonguy
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To: gibsonguy

The first point (cheating) would apply to all Republican candidates. The second point ( visceral rabid hate) applies more to Trump than others for reason that escape me. Finally the never Trumpers These by definition are a burden to Trump only.


20 posted on 01/19/2024 6:32:51 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
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