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To: RandFan

What is so wrong with demanding that the U.S. border be secure before spending money on securing the borders of Israel and Ukraine?


4 posted on 02/16/2024 3:07:42 PM PST by hanamizu ( )
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To: hanamizu

What is so wrong with demanding that the U.S. border be secure before spending money on securing the borders of Israel and Ukraine?


Simple explanation. This whole thing is straw man. Whast’s happening at the border is a Biden Administration POLICY, no amount of anything will change it.


6 posted on 02/16/2024 3:11:20 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: hanamizu
"What is so wrong with demanding that the U.S. border be secure before spending money on securing the borders of Israel and Ukraine?"

According to Zeepers, you're a Russian troll.

8 posted on 02/16/2024 3:12:56 PM PST by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: hanamizu

“ What is so wrong with demanding that the U.S. border be secure before spending money on securing the borders of Israel and Ukraine?‘

Because the fascists that are a clear majority of the U.S. government don’t get more wealthy or more power from securing the U.S. border…exactly the opposite.


9 posted on 02/16/2024 3:14:27 PM PST by Scott from the Left Coast (We have not yet achieved peak crazy)
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To: hanamizu
For one thing, you are asking a dishonest question. The issue of Israel and Ukraine is not some problem they have with illegal immigration from an otherwise friendly (mostly) country. For them it is literally their survival, and with huge negative strategic and economic fallout to the rest of the Western & allies world, to boot.

#2 As has been noted, the biggest problem with the border is Biden's border policy(s). Congress "could" tackle part of that, but even if Congress was united on the general policy direction, it would take them literally years to hammer out the specific details in the legislation. That's what an Administration has hordes of people employed to work on: All the specific rules, regs, and so on. That legislation is even tougher to knock out when the legislators know the Administration will try to subvert it.

Possibly the best bet would be to pass legislation addressing a couple specific Biden policies, which legislation Biden is sure to veto (and likely dies in the Senate anyway), and use that in the fall campaign.

#3, there's a critical election to win, and to be honest, the Pubbies and Trump need the border issue as a strong second behind the economy, to do well. I kinda hate to say it, but "never let a crisis go to waste." In this case, the last thing we want is some squishy compromise bill to somehow get through, and then the Dems can crow about their wonderful bipartisan legislation to finally fix the border - "damn that Trump for ruining the border, but we've fixed it" - and other such BS.

OTOH, without aid soon, Israel and Ukraine are going to be in big trouble. The Ukraine situation is obvious - they need ammo and they need more than popgun weapons, even if they have made great use of what they've received so far. Israel's economy is getting hammered - a detail isolationists conveniently forget. Plus, If Iran thinks Israel is vulnerable, they will tell Hezbollah to attack in earnest. 120k rockets? 150k rockets? Most likely, we would HAVE to intervene unless we want to see a battered Israel resort to firing off, say, 1/4 of its nukes, and God knows where that would lead. China... Needs an immediate reminder we can help our Asian allies make Chinese aggression very, VERY costly. In none of those overseas areas can we wait around, because if our enemies make a move, it will be before Biden (hopefully) gets the boot.

40 posted on 02/16/2024 7:15:33 PM PST by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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