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Two years on, Ukraine is seeking the least worst option
The Telegraph ^ | 2/24/24 | Roland Oliphant

Posted on 02/24/2024 1:17:03 PM PST by hardspunned

In the summer of 2022, I spent several days ringing acquaintances in Ukraine. The six-month anniversary of the full-scale invasion was approaching – a milestone few had imagined it would reach when the tanks first rolled in – and I wanted a sense of how they saw the war.

It was not an easy time. Kyiv had been saved, but Mariupol and Severodonetsk lost despite heroic last stands. There seemed to be no answer to Russia’s grinding artillery war in Donbas. And on the sun-drenched summer battlefields, everyone knew that the government would not talk about casualties because they were so horribly high.

Even so, everyone I spoke to believed Ukraine would win. The only question, people told me, was how long, and at what price. week, the war reaches another milestone – the two-year anniversary – and peace seems as distant as ever. But this time fatigue is much more palpable, and the mood has changed.

“It’s exhausting,” says Oleksiy Honcharenko, the MP for Odessa. “Everybody is thinking about just about one thing: to finish it and as soon as possible. But the most depressing thing now is that there is no light at the end of the tunnel.”

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; Ukraine; War
KEYWORDS: killkillkillforpeace
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Could it be that they might negotiate another settlement? I pray the next negotiated end to this war is not quashed by the West.
1 posted on 02/24/2024 1:17:03 PM PST by hardspunned
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Ukes should pay to defeat the ‘Rats, elect Trump [here] and hope for a fair negotiation with Pooty-Poot.

Get off the BiXiden foreign aid grift.


2 posted on 02/24/2024 1:25:56 PM PST by Paladin2
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I think the Globohomo Regime has already given up on Ukraine.

And they are just trying to extend the collapse to after the US election.


3 posted on 02/24/2024 1:26:39 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: hardspunned

An armistice should’ve been signed by both parties over a year ago.

They should be starting year two of negotiations.


4 posted on 02/24/2024 1:31:20 PM PST by unclebankster (Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.)
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To: hardspunned

Our billions are sending more thousands into early graves. This is reality, as much as I despise Putin and Z.


5 posted on 02/24/2024 1:33:43 PM PST by alstewartfan (Child slavery, rape and drug OD's mean nothing to Roberts and Barrett. )
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To: unclebankster

Try Year 3. Biden, Boris, etc. do not care.


6 posted on 02/24/2024 1:35:09 PM PST by alstewartfan (Child slavery, rape and drug OD's mean nothing to Roberts and Barrett. )
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To: hardspunned

When it comes to cutting losses, there is a saying in the stock industry that “the first loss is your best loss” Hindsight suggests maybe the deal they worked out 2 years ago ceding the two primarily Russian eastern provinces may have been their best loss. The longer this goes on with no negotiation table as a backdrop, the more Ukraine stands to lose when they ultimately throw in the towel...and, more importantly, the more treasure the US stands to lose


7 posted on 02/24/2024 1:38:25 PM PST by chuckee
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This is reality, as much as I despise Putin and Z.

I agree. This has had a devastating effect on an entire generation of Ukrainians and Russians. So many young people killed or maimed, so many families shattered and so many livelihoods destroyed.

It’s long past time to end the death and destruction and come to some kind of agreement.

8 posted on 02/24/2024 1:40:09 PM PST by Allegra (Less propaganda would be appreciated. )
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To: chuckee

That deal was hundreds of thousands of dead Ukrainian troops ago. The Ukes should have stood up to the West and signed the deal.


9 posted on 02/24/2024 1:43:59 PM PST by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: Reverend Wright

That is a sickening thought if true. Sacrificing hundreds of Ukrainian boys a day playing politics.


10 posted on 02/24/2024 1:46:04 PM PST by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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Wow, the western media lied again


11 posted on 02/24/2024 1:47:26 PM PST by BRL
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Blood lust of liberals

Their esoteric - vapid values

Need a flaming funeral pyre

For reassurance - grounding

The new islam - submission

Jihad - shariah - taliban - alqueda

Everything good - God must go

Gog dem666 usa

MaGog dem666 nato

Ps

Submit / die - versity


12 posted on 02/24/2024 1:51:06 PM PST by Firehath (Quackery - An irrelevant simplification / undetected Complex problem - attacking symptoms⁸)
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To: unclebankster

There would be no armistice because Russia has never pulled backed from its maximalist objectives. Rail all you want about Ukraine’s need to negotiate but there will be no peace agreement until Russia, too, becomes more realistic about what it can achieve and proposes something that Ukraine can actually accept. Right now Russia is demanding unconditional surrender in all but name. With that, Ukraine has no alternative but to continue to fight.


13 posted on 02/24/2024 1:58:41 PM PST by Petrosius
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“Least worst”, as opposed to “most best”?


14 posted on 02/24/2024 2:01:40 PM PST by clashfan (Whom shall I fear?)
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To: hardspunned

“Least worst”, as opposed to “most best”?


15 posted on 02/24/2024 2:01:41 PM PST by clashfan (Whom shall I fear?)
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To: hardspunned

“Least worst”, as opposed to “most best”?


16 posted on 02/24/2024 2:01:41 PM PST by clashfan (Whom shall I fear?)
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To: clashfan

More better.


17 posted on 02/24/2024 2:04:38 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Petrosius
Ukraine has no alternative but to continue to fight.

You're my go-to guy on neocon thinking.

18 posted on 02/24/2024 2:14:20 PM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: Petrosius

My take from Putin’s TC interview is that Putin plans for Kiev to be part of Russia. I don’t see how Ukraine agrees to this until the leadership has fled Kiev.

My belief is that what is transpiring was agreed to years ago when Potato told Putin when to start the invasion. It may be possible that Putin allowed that Kiev will hold on until November - the Dems have need of it.

I don’t think Putin can trust America’s leadership any more than we can trust him.


19 posted on 02/24/2024 2:20:42 PM PST by Empire_of_Liberty ( )
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To: hardspunned

Biden has the authority to send artillery ammunition and, say, land mines, to Ukraine on a promise to pay, later.

Just like he did for Israel.

https://apnews.com/article/us-israel-gaza-arms-hamas-bypass-congress-1dc77f20aac4a797df6a2338b677da4f

The USA has millions of 155 cluster and land mines that could be sent. but Brandon doesn’t do it because they want to create a political fight.

Meanwhile, more Ukrainians die uselessly for positioning in a DC political fight, which is performative and fake, and just temporary until after the election.


20 posted on 02/24/2024 2:25:05 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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