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To: rlmorel
Trump would have no way of knowing this

Well, since he fired his national security advisor because Pence told him to, I suppose you are correct.

104 posted on 02/28/2024 12:09:57 PM PST by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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To: Jim Noble
Your post is apparently in reference to the questions I have about Gina Haspel, and how Trump, being a newcomer to this level of government intrigue in National Intelligence, would have to depend on someone who had more experience than he did.

You said Pence told Trump to fire General Flynn.

Do you know that to be true, that Pence "told Trump to do it"? I don't know if Pence told him to do anything like that, although Pence was the person supposedly "lied" to.

I have done considerable research into this, and it was an orchestrated hit.

On January 26, acting Attorney General Sally Yates went to the White House to warn lawyer Donald McGahn the Flynn might have misled the vice president. She said that since the Russians knew that there were discrepancies between what Flynn had said to Kislyak and what he had apparently told Pence of their conversation, the national security advisor might be vulnerable to blackmail.

On February 9th, Washington Post article by Greg Miller, Adam Entous and Ellen Nakashima printed leaked parts of the Flynn-Kislyak call that appeared to contradict Flynn’s conversation with Pence. This is a timed leak to the Washington Post, the publication of which appears to be done directly in advance of the meeting scheduled for the next day between Pence and McCabe.
 The very first paragraph in the article states unequivocally:


“National security adviser Michael Flynn privately discussed U.S. sanctions against Russia with that country’s ambassador to the United States during the month before President Trump took office, contrary to public assertions by Trump officials, current and former U.S. officials said.”


In no uncertain terms, The Washington Post states that Flynn lied.

Then, the next day, February 10th, (this is from Lee Smith’s “The Plot Against The President”): "When McCabe appeared at the White House the next day, he was called into Pence’s office. Priebus and McGahn were there, watching news coverage of the leaked intercept. They were upset. They asked to see the information McCabe had on Flynn. “This is totally opposite,” said Pence. “It’s not what he said to me.” 


To all intents and purposes, the loyal Obama officials in the FBI, DOJ, and compliant media set a trap, baited it perfectly, pitched the public framing of the issue in the media, drumming up that Flynn was a liar, untrustworthy, vulnerable to blackmail, backed up with fake information in the trap, and sprung the trap on VP Pence publicly. All coordinated precisely to bring the public and unknowing dupes in the administration into full throated calls to fire Flynn for lying.

Do you know for a fact that Pence "told" President Trump to fire General Flynn? If so, do you have a source for that?

Because, as I said above, this was a coordinated effort to "bring the public and unknowing dupes in the administration into full throated calls to fire Flynn for lying".

I don't know if Pence was an unknowing dupe in this, or if he was a full partner in orchestrating it. But to my knowledge, he was not the person who "told Trump to do it". Now, in retrospect, I believe Pence was in on it due to anything from blackmail to his ideological alignment, but I have no proof of that.

You might find the chronologically ordered and sourced timeline I put together in my own effort to understand what had gone on there. Feel free to download it at:

LINK: TIMELINE OF THE GOVERNMENTAL ABUSE OF LT. GENERAL MICHAEL FLYNN

118 posted on 02/28/2024 2:06:12 PM PST by rlmorel ("The stigma for being wrong is gone, as long as you're wrong for the right side." (Clarice Feldman))
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