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To: Red Badger
At one time I thought the only good application of EV technology would be large vehicles like trucks or busses because then the percentage of weight taken up by the batteries would be low. However, it turns out that the opposite is true. Hauling heavy loads over long distances requires very large batteries that take hours to recharge.

Long Beach thinks they'll get cleaner air, but the increased particulates from tires and brake pads from heavier trucks might negate whatever gains they get from cleaner tailpipes.

8 posted on 03/11/2024 8:45:35 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (What is left around which to circle the wagons?)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
And the bigger the battery, the longer it will take to charge it.

Battery-powered delivery vans actually make a lot of sense. The operating cost is definitely lower for an EV van than an ICE van, and for most applications the van is parked at a terminal overnight and has hours of idle time for charging.

Electrifying a Class 8 tractor for over-the-road use is like transporting cargo from Asia to the U.S. in a canoe.

20 posted on 03/11/2024 9:03:55 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

The bigger the battery, the less room for cargo. More trucks will be needed to hauls the excess cargo. More trucks and more trucks. No room on the highway for cars.


23 posted on 03/11/2024 9:11:51 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

“Hauling heavy loads over long distances requires very large batteries that take hours to recharge.”

There are a number of problems with EV trucks.

First of all most of the electric Semi from Freightliner, Volvo, Kenworth and Peterbilt are about $400k-500k.

Secondly, as a consequence of being heavier, electric trucks can’t carry as much freight as diesel trucks. The head of the trade association for California drayage truckers said that companies will need to double the size of their fleets just to haul the same amount of freight they currently do.

In California, the state government and private companies are going to spend gobs of money to buy electric trucks for which there aren’t yet charging stations or electric capacity, so that they can move less freight at higher cost. So, longer charging times less freight moved.

And who does this help? China, Russia, the labor union, amd ther government with taxes. That’s why EV cars are sitting in the show rooms gathering dust. The public has caught on to this one.

As for the electricty in California, as of 2021, 30.1% of electricity was imported (11.7% from Northwest and 18.4% from Southwest) out of which 22.6% was of unspecified origin and 30.9% were renewables. The Northwest category is made up of Alberta, British Columbia, Idaho, Montana, Oregon, South Dakota, Washington, and Wyoming. The Southwest category includes Arizona, Baja California, Colorado, Mexico, Nevada, New Mexico, Texas, and Utah.

And according to their site, they generate less than half of the electricity at 47.78%:

https://www.energy.ca.gov/data-reports/energy-almanac/california-electricity-data/2022-total-system-electric-generation#:~:text=The%20Northwest%20category%20is%20made,Mexico%2C%20Texas%2C%20and%20Utah.

This informtion is two years old, but the increase in vehicle needs is going to finish the electricity problems in California. They just won’t have enough, period.

wy69


37 posted on 03/11/2024 9:56:56 AM PDT by whitney69 (yption tunnels)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

“Hauling heavy loads over long distances requires very large batteries that take hours to recharge.”

There are a number of problems with EV trucks.

First of all most of the electric Semi from Freightliner, Volvo, Kenworth and Peterbilt are about $400k-500k.

Secondly, as a consequence of being heavier, electric trucks can’t carry as much freight as diesel trucks. The head of the trade association for California drayage truckers said that companies will need to double the size of their fleets just to haul the same amount of freight they currently do.

In California, the state government and private companies are going to spend gobs of money to buy electric trucks for which there aren’t yet charging stations or electric capacity, so that they can move less freight at higher cost. So, longer charging times less freight moved.

And who does this help? China, Russia, the labor union, amd ther government with taxes. That’s why EV cars are sitting in the show rooms gathering dust. The public has caught on to this one.

As for the electricty in California, as of 2021, 30.1% of electricity was imported (11.7% from Northwest and 18.4% from Southwest) out of which 22.6% was of unspecified origin and 30.9% were renewables. The Northwest category is made up of Alberta, British Columbia, Idaho, Montana, Oregon, South Dakota, Washington, and Wyoming. The Southwest category includes Arizona, Baja California, Colorado, Mexico, Nevada, New Mexico, Texas, and Utah.

And according to their site, they generate less than half of the electricity at 47.78%:

https://www.energy.ca.gov/data-reports/energy-almanac/california-electricity-data/2022-total-system-electric-generation#:~:text=The%20Northwest%20category%20is%20made,Mexico%2C%20Texas%2C%20and%20Utah.

This informtion is two years old, but the increase in vehicle needs is going to finish the electricity problems in California. They just won’t have enough, period.

wy69


38 posted on 03/11/2024 9:56:56 AM PDT by whitney69 (yption tunnels)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

and then there’s the issue that the weight of electrified 18-wheelers (probably 24 wheels with batteries) would crush california’s highways into dust and destroy their bridges ...


80 posted on 03/13/2024 9:28:43 AM PDT by catnipman (A Vote For The Lesser Of Two Evils Still Counts As A Vote For Evil)
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